Brooks Kicks Out Customers

Great, you win. You are now a free agent. Best of look getting a new deal with a company that will appreciate your efforts.

You are a douche. Brooks is lucky that you're gone.

Brooks ID aka ignores dreams wrote:

Runners aren't angry it was taking away, they are angry because of who it was taking away from and who got to stay.

So in other words you are a envious little turd, good for Steve to cut you loose!

Brooks ID aka ignores dreams wrote:

Why did the program fail? Mary Kay, Scentsy Candles, Lia Sophia, Candlelite, Pampered Chef, and many other companies have done similar programs and they seem to be doing really well. Was it bad management?

Those programs have almost no similarity to what Brooks was doing. If you want the Mary Kay experience, become a dealer for Brooks.

Who really cares. All of you Brooks ID people are terrible runners who should give up the sport anyway. Come back and talk when you run under 2:15.

Our local group is sponsored by Brooks, but many of them don't wear the product in races. It is a shame. The winner of the biggest race in the state in 2010 wore a Brooks uniform and Nike shoes. They need better enforcement.

Do tell.....

I can't believe this discussion is still going on.

If I understand this correctly, some people feel slighted because they feel Brooks "randomly" separated people between the two groups, and the "fanatics" (this is appearing to be an increasingly apropos name-choice) feel like second-class citizens now. I still don't see how you can actually be mad at Brooks.

Say that a neighbor of yours (Mr. Brooks) decided one day, 'I am going to go out and give all the people on my street $100 bucks, because I want them to think I'm a great guy.' He does it, and you are one of the lucky folks who get a $100 bucks, with practically no strings attached (say nice things about him, go to his parties, etc). He keeps this up for a few years.

Except one year, circumstances change (the economy collapses, he changes jobs, he is saving up to buy a new car, he just gets bored of handing out $100 bucks every year, etc etc). He says, 'I am really sorry, but I don't want to keep giving EVERYONE on the street $100 bucks anymore. I am cutting back." Instead of going through the hundreds of people on the street and ranking people who were really really nice to him, as opposed to just nice to him, he thinks, 'ah, I don't want to rank everyone, they were all good enough for me. I am just going to keep giving a hundred bucks to everyone on the left side of the street. The people on the right side of the street, just so there are no hard feelings, I am going to give them $50 this year."

How can someone on the right side of the street possibly be angry at Mr. Brooks? They had a great deal going for years and years, and Mr. Brooks is STILL offering to give them something, just not as much as he managed to give them in the past. If they have grown to rely on his $100 annual handout, that is their problem. He never promised to keep giving you $100 ad infinitum. Again, a privilege, not an entitlement.

And if anything, his method of culling people seems like it was intended to cause fewer hard feelings, isn't it? (i.e. Mr. Brooks is not passing judgment about how good a friend you were, he is saying 'everyone was good enough, so I decided to make a cut arbitrarily.'). I don't doubt that some people who worked very hard to be Mr. Brooks' friend happened to be on the right side of the street. But things get very ugly and messy when you start trying to rank people this way. (Ask anyone who's had to cut people out of a wedding guest list).

Anyway, my two cents.

Maybe Steve found you to be annoying. You sent him names of people you convinced to switch? How many emails did you send him? Do you know how many emails he gets from hundreds of ID members?

Brooks ID aka ignores dreams wrote:

Don't bring Wejos' history into this. He's a conservative and believes when people work harder than others, they deserve it more over those who did less. I sent in a list of names of many runners that I got to switch from Nike to Brooks. Runners that were buying Nike's from online sites and now are buying Brooks from online sites. The specialty store in this town does nothing for the community.

A better way of putting it would be to say that Brooks started a program. To be part of the program they asked for you in return to Inspire and promote the Brooks product. Many, many runners did that and were still dropped from the program. Other runners who didn't do anything to help the program or even cheated to win, were kept.

Brooks ID aka ignores dreams wrote:

A better way of putting it would be to say that Brooks started a program. To be part of the program they asked for you in return to Inspire and promote the Brooks product. Many, many runners did that and were still dropped from the program. Other runners who didn't do anything to help the program or even cheated to win, were kept.

Phil is that you? Cause I know it ain't John. Again, either way...you didn't do enough or you were a pain in the ass to the program. Regardless, you were found to be unworthy, slower runners were found to be more inspiring. You, and the 4 other people crying, cause personally most of the other Fanantics, while disappointed, are really being adult about the entire process.

Like a lot of the other runners in your range you are really let down realizing the fact that you are really not that fast. C'mon dude, there are girls that are faster than you that were bumped down (not let go or kicked to the curb).

A college team mate of mine ran 2:15 and didn't get a deal except through the club he ran for. Companies get very little return on programs like these and even less gratitude.

Graeme McDowell wrote:

A college team mate of mine ran 2:15 and didn't get a deal except through the club he ran for. Companies get very little return on programs like these and even less gratitude.

POD!!! End Of Thread!!

I have a friend that runs 2:40's and he gets great deals from shoe companies. If your team mate ran that fast with not much of a contract, well he's not smart. After reading this whole thread again, I have found that Brooks kept a lot of assholes who didn't answer simple questions. The main one I can't believe that wasn't answer was about the guy who cheated to win and still got in. You Pace guys are really stupid. I am in the PACE, I just wanted one answer and didn't get it. The guy using Whine as a name, you are also in pace and you are a complete deuce. I should put a link to your blog. That's a laugh. The whole thing is a joke. There is no reason I should have gotten in and a friend of mine not. It's still a group of want a be runners pretending to be elites.

OK, he couldn't get a better deal than the one he had through his club. If your friend is a female then I believe you. All a male 2:40 marathoner deserves is a t-shirt and maybe an age group medal. If he runs for a club or store team he may get a couple pairs of shoes a year and a discount. Unless he is a wear tester or something I doubt he is getting "great deals" from any shoe company directly.

Brooks ID aka ignores dreams wrote:

Don't bring Wejos' history into this. He's a conservative and believes when people work harder than others, they deserve it more over those who did less.

WTF does that have to do with anything?

Some advice from an impartial observer; when you are in a hole - stop digging.

Brooks ID aka ignores dreams wrote:

There was no set standard of times. I was dropped, I'm not fast, but I'm faster than 99 percent of the runners in the series.

Brooks ID aka ignores dreams wrote:

You Pace guys are really stupid. I am in the PACE, I just wanted one answer and didn't get it.

Which is it, toolbag? Did you get dropped or not?

This isn't ignorance or unfairness, its business. Sorry you were(?) on the short end of the stick, but it is not something Brooks is doing to you or anyone else out of malice, so stop acting like a martyr. You had a gerat deal, now you don't. They're not taking away anything that is owed to you.

After reading what everyone has posted I feel that brooks should have set some standards that were made public on how the groups were chosen. I am also very confused as to how it was done. I got into the ID pace group and I know of a faster woman that did not get in and a slower woman who never wore the singlet, never wore other shoes, never did the race series and still got into the pace group.

Last RNR Chicago I was looking at the results and noticed that a man was running with a womens elite number for the RNR half. There was a picture of him with a brooks ID singlet on with and Elites womens bib number. I emailed the race director and then emailed Steve with the picture. NOTHING WAS DONE. Steve asked me to look into it and let him know who it was. This is not my job. Brooks is the sponsor of the race and it was an ID member doing this. They should look into this not me.

Sounds like they should just drop more people so that they can manage the program properly.