SOLINSKY NOT RUPP-CERTIFIED

J.R. wrote:

Had Solinsky not been in the race, then Rupp would probably not have bettered the previous AR, and maybe he would have gotten 6th place.

There was a lot of stupidity and lack of actual competitive racing experience exemplified in your post, but this surely shows the worst of it.

Do you really think what solinsky did helped Rupp? That's simply iditotic. If you were at the race you could see the last 2K or so Rupp went from focussing on the job at hand to wondering what was going to happen with the guys sitting on him. That does not help you run fast, that causes stress, stress causes fatigue and fatigue tightens you up. Rupp came down the home stretch like all the wind was out of his sails, not like someone chomping down an AR.

The fact that you don't know the difference tells me a lot about the level of running you've experienced. Those of us who have been even remotely competitive know how both sides of the coin feel, and the affects they have on finishing out a race. You, obviously don't.

Jeez man. I would like to see how long it would take you to get your breath back after leading the final 3k of a AR 10k with the last 800 ran in 1.56! Got to know what you're talking about Bro'. Ever done the last 800 in 1.56 in a 10k race??? Or even just finished one in sub 30 mins? Show some respect to a class race with the top 4 guys doing amazing stuff for American and distance Running in general and stop being picky on who shakes who's hand first and in which order. Take splits of the race not the bullshit stuff at the end!!! Go OTC!!!

rsbones wrote:

It was actually embarrassing how long it took Rupp to come over and how it looked like he had to be ushered into it. All the other competitors seemed really congratulatory.

Francis L wrote:

As for the Nike marketing situation, you just don't get it. The hype is all well and good for attention, garnering interest, etc... I'm not at all saying they shouldn't have done it. But I guarantee Salazar, etc. feel a bit foolish for trying to make it all about Rupp- when they clearly had other capable dogs in the fight (who were desrving of some publicity themselves).

IDIOT. You think that hyping an AR attempt is good, but you think they should have hyped Solinsky?

Nice hindsight, pal. Congrats on reading the results. Want to go back in time and place some bets on Meb for NYC in 2009 while you're at it?

It was NOT "clear" that "they" had other "capable dogs in the fight" -- if it was the number of Letsrunners who saw this coming would be more than...um...ZERO.

Now, now. Has this devolved into name calling? I fail to see what you're so worked up about, but rage on, my good man!

I am not saying Nike should have hyped Solinsky. I am not saying they they should have kept Rupp's attempt quiet. I am simply pointing out that they put more into the hype of one guy than I have ever seen in terms of any other May AR attempt, and I would say that Solinsky made them look a little silly. Are you following me here? I'm not sure why you are trying to read broader implications into it than that. What, am I not allowed to use the results in making this assesment?

As for your suggestion about the acuity of letsrunners being able to predict anything worth a damn, well I'm not even going to touch that one. Obviously, Schumacher and Solinsky were the only ones with any kind of insight into what Sol was capable of running. If Nike chooses to essentially ignore the debut of a 3:37, 7:36, 13:12 guy, well then that's certainly their prerogative. Was there reason to hype Solinsky over Rupp, or to even hype him at all? Not really. I'm not claiming there was. But in hindsight (and yes, I will go ahead and use it), Solinsky made the Nike marketing machine look silly. I fail to see what you're arguing with me about here.

But please, feel free to keep calling me names and shouting at the rest of us lesser minds from atop your ivory tower of wisdom. Snoogins.

I'm all for hyping a record attepmt, but just pick a race, quite whining and run; if the conditions are not conducive, run your best race adn move on to the next one. So all the wishy-washy b.s. leading up to which race Rupp was going to run was annoying, but seriously, why should they have been hyping anyone else, save maybe mentioning Chelenga going for the college record. No other American in the race could have been expected to have even the slightest whiff of the AR coming into this, cedrtainly not some guy who had annouced he was on a glorified tempo run.

solinsky is a fudge packing pile of crap

Francis L wrote:

Obviously, Schumacher and Solinsky were the only ones with any kind of insight into what Sol was capable of running.

Solinsky made the Nike marketing machine look silly. I fail to see what you're arguing with me about here.

MORON. Solinsky gave no representation whatsoever of this "insight" ... The guy was talking about doing a "glorified tempo run" and predicting a time as slow as 28:00 -- Nike doesn't look "silly" to have not gotten behind that; they look rational.

Sitting around afterward pretending that you had a clue about the amazing run Chris S was about to unleash is utter BS. Or did I miss your sub-27:00 guess on the prediction thread. IMBECILE.

Oh, and by the way, there is no "Nike marketing machine" here, as much as you might want to pretend there is. US distance running to Nike is a sideline to a sideline to a sideshow to the WNBA. On a good day. Which Saturday was.

Lol. My man, what is wrong with you?

When exactly did I claim to have predicted Solinsky was going to unleash anything??

And while you are absolutely correct in that, relatively speaking, Nike doesn't spend any real $$ on marketing distance running, I'm still not sure what your hangup is. There is no doubt Nike wants Rupp to be the next Pre. In fact, for those of us at the race, we have our own little "Go Rupp" noise fan thing-a-majigs that Nike reps were handing out to the spectators to use to cheer him on to the new AR. There is no debating that Nike has its own little Rupp marketing machine- you are correct in that it's no Lebron marketing machine, and it's not a Lance marketing machine, but that's beside the point. In fact, I don't really even think you have any points, aside from conjuring up arguments through the selective editings of prior posts.

To try and clear things up for you, I will summarize my salient points:

1. Great race by both guys, with Solinsky coming out the better man. Given the work that Rupp put in leading the pack after the rabbits dropped out, I agree with the OP- Solinsky perhaps owes Rupp a fine dining experience at Red Lobster.

2. In retrospect, Solinsky made the pre-race Nike hype surrounding Rupp look silly.

I do want to thank you: your tough guy internet persona and name calling have been good for a laugh. As has your constant need (on multiple threads) to try and bash Rupp (ironic coming from the guy who feigns support for Nike's efforts to create new fans). You know what? I'm not a big fan of Rupp either, but he ran a helluva race, and he's had an unbelievable career for a 23 year old.

That's about it- that's really all there is to it. I'm done indulging you in some sort of nonsensical debate about irrelevant (or just plain fabricated) tangents that you keep pulling out of your a$$. Keep on bashing, brother!

Mrr82 wrote:

Francis L wrote:

Talk about a classic Nike F up... it was the All Galen and Salazar Show leading up to the race, but lo and behold Schumaker's big boy (making his 10k debut no less) steals the thunder.

Nike just has two Americans break the old AR in the 10k. Solinsky just went 26:59 in their uniform...you think they are thinking they f'd up? Not to mention this race probably would have been like 27:35 if Rupp hadn't gone. And Rupp probably would not have run this fast in Oregon. So win win all around for Nike.

a "classic Nike F up" ? You are clearly an idiot. Nike made the race.

Salazar and Rupp made the race.

And they are Nike, as is Solinsky.

It was win/win.

Rupp will have his day and break that record.

Wh does the announcer say that Rupp was under the American record? He finished behind CS who set the AR?...

Solinsky actually, somewhat, apologizes for sitting on Rupp in this interview:

Francis L wrote:

In retrospect, Solinsky made the pre-race Nike hype surrounding Rupp look silly.

SPEWER OF IGNORANT RANTS.

You still don't get it.

A surprising result does not travel backward through time and somehow retroactively make a smart bet "silly."

Nike got behind an AR attempt. A good thing.

Specifically, the got behind the guy they (and anyone else paying attention) had the most EVIDENCE to believe would take that record.

Unless you would honestly have bet $20 on Solinsky to be the first to the post, and I know you wouldn't have, CHEAPSKATE, why would you ridicule Nike for making the same bet you would have when they have thousands of dollars on the line?

I like Rupp. I like Solinksy. I just hate you, PURPLEHAND.

Watched the vid twice. Rupp simply looks exhausted. The disappointment is also adding to his exhaustion. He doesn't have the adrenaline rush the others have after they all scored PR's. He has his PR but not the hoped for AR. He'll keep improving. I hope Solinsky does also. Great run by all those guys in the front group. All of them showed guts.

typical rupp garbage