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3 years ago 02/03/2022 10:48am EST

re: hourez

My constantly evolving list of 200 best/personal favorite Dylan songs:

1. Like a Rolling Stone - Highway 61 Revisited

2. Tangled Up In Blue - Blood on the Tracks

3. Desolation Row - Highway 61 Revisited

4. Every Grain of Sand - Bootleg Series vol. 1-3/Shot of Love

5. Visions of Johanna - Blonde on Blonde

6. Idiot Wind - Blood on the Tracks

7. Stuck Inside of Mobile With the Memphis Blues Again - Blonde on Blonde

8. Lily, Rosemary and The Jack of Hearts - Blood on the Tracks

9. Most of the Time - Oh Mercy

10. Standing in the Doorway - Time Out of Mind

11. It’s Alright Ma, I’m Only Bleeding - Bringing It All Back Home

12. Hurricane - Desire

13. Tombstone Blues - Highway 61 Revisited

14. Highlands - Time Out of Mind

15. A Hard Rain’s A-Gonna Fall - The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan

16. One of Us Must Know (Sooner or Later) - Blonde on Blonde

17. Jokerman - Infidels

18. Isis - Desire

19. Just Like Tom Thumb’s Blues - Highway 61 Revisited

20. Ballad of a Thin Man - Highway 61 Revisited

21. Floater (Too Much to Ask) - Love and Theft

22. It’s All Over Now, Baby Blue - Bringing It All Back Home

23. Subterranean Homesick Blues - Bringing It All Back Home

24. Queen Jane Approximately - Highway 61 Revisited

25. Sweetheart Like You - Infidels

26. Mississippi - Love and Theft

27. Gotta Serve Somebody - Slow Train Coming

28. Shooting Star - Oh Mercy

29. Tears of Rage - The Basement Tapes

30. Trying to Get to Heaven - Time Out of Mind

31. Tonight I’ll Be Staying Here With You - Nashville Skyline

32. Mr. Tambourine Man - Bringing It All Back Home

33. Absolutely Sweet Marie - Blonde on Blonde

34. Brownsville Girl - Knocked Out Loaded

35. This Wheel’s On Fire - The Basement Tapes

36. Don’t Fall Apart on Me Tonight - Infidels

37. I Shall Be Released - Bootleg Series vol. 1-3

38. Talkin’ World War III Blues - The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan

39. The Man In Me - New Morning

40. Positively Fourth Street - 1965 Single

41. Shelter From The Storm - Blood on the Tracks

42. If You See Her, Say Hello - Blood on the Tracks

43. Man In The Long Black Coat - Oh Mercy

44. Simple Twist of Fate - Blood on the Tracks

45. Something There Is About You - Planet Waves

46. Bob Dylan’s 115th Dream - Bringing It All Back Home

47. Thunder On The Mountain - Modern Times

48. I’ll Be Your Baby Tonight - Nashville Skyline

49. Blind Willie McTell - Bootleg Series vol. 1-3

50. I Want You - Blonde on Blonde

51. If Not For You - New Morning/Bootleg Series vol. 1-3

52. Highway 61 Revisited - Highway 61 Revisited

53. Goin’ To Acapulco - The Basement Tapes

54. Born In Time - Under the Red Sky

55. Day of the Locusts - New Morning

56. Maggie’s Farm - Bringing It All Back Home

57. Lord Protect My Child - Bootleg Series vol. 1-3

58. I and I - Infidels

59. You’re Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go - Blood on the Tracks

60. When I Paint My Masterpiece - Greatest Hits Vol. 2/Bootleg Series vol. 10

61. Tight Connection to My Heart/Someone’s Got a Hold of My Heart - Empire Burlesque/Bootleg Series vol. 1-3

62. Mama, You Been on My Mind - Bootleg Series vol. 1-3

63. Spirit On The Water - Modern Times

64. Don’t Think Twice, It’s All Right - The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan

65. Series of Dreams - Bootleg Series vol. 1-3

66. I Threw It All Away - Nashville Skyline

67. Senor (Tales of Yankee Power) - Street Legal

68. Key West (Philosopher Pirate) - Rough and Rowdy Ways

69. Dirge - Planet Waves

70. I’ll Remember You - Empire Burlesque

71. Girl From The North Country - The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan/Nashville Skyline

72. I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine - John Wesley Harding

73. Summer Days - Love and Theft

74. Nobody ‘Cept You - Bootleg Series vol. 1-3

75. You Ain’t Goin’ Nowhere - The Basement Tapes

76. Dear Landlord - John Wesley Harding

77. Million Miles - Time Out of Mind

78. All Along The Watchtower - John Wesley Harding

79. Knockin’ On Heaven’s Door - Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid

80. Tough Mama - Planet Waves

81. God Knows - Under the Red Sky

82. Never Say Goodbye - Planet Waves

83. If You Gotta Go, Go Now - Bootleg Series vol. 1-3

84. Saving Grace - Saved

85. With God On Our Side - The Times They Are A-Changin’

86. Just Like A Woman - Blonde on Blonde

87. Lonesome Day Blues - Love and Theft

88. Rainy Day Women #12 & 35 - Blonde on Blonde

89. Copper Kettle - Self Portrait

90. Most Likely You Go Your Way (And I’ll Go Mine) - Blonde on Blonde

91. Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands - Blonde on Blonde

92. Man of Peace - Infidels

93. On A Night Like This - Planet Waves

94. Can’t Wait - Time Out of Mind

95. License to Kill - Infidels

96. Meet Me In The Morning - Blood on the Tracks

97. Nothing Was Delivered - The Basement Tapes

98. Love Minus Zero/No Limit - Bringing It All Back Home

99. You’re A Big Girl Now - Blood on the Tracks

100. Ring Them Bells - Oh Mercy

101. Fourth Time Around - Blonde on Blonde

102. New Pony - Street Legal

103. Not Dark Yet - Time Out of Mind

104. Going, Going, Gone - Planet Waves

105. I Shall Be Free - The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan

106. Everything is Broken - Oh Mercy

107. Pledging My Time - Blonde on Blonde

108. Cry A While - Love and Theft

109. What Was It You Wanted - Oh Mercy

110. The Times They Are A-Changin’ - The Times They Are A-Changin’

111. Pressing On - Saved

112. I Don’t Believe You (She Acts Like We Never Have Met) - Another Side of Bob Dylan

113. Only a Pawn in Their Game - The Times They Are A-Changin’

114. Buckets of Rain - Blood on the Tracks

115. Million Dollar Bash - The Basement Tapes

116. Sign on the Window - New Morning

117. Crash On The Levee (Down in the Flood) - The Basement Tapes

118. Drifter’s Escape - John Wesley Harding

119. Lay, Lady, Lay - Nashville Skyline

120. Early Mornin’ Rain* - Self Portrait

121. Moonshiner* - Bootleg Series vol. 1-3

122. The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll - The Times They Are A-Changin’

123. Forever Young - Planet Waves

124. Nettie Moore - Modern Times

125. Cold Irons Bound - Time Out of Mind

126. Wigwam - Self Portrait

127. Dirty World - The Traveling Wilburys vol. 1

128. It Ain’t Me Babe - Another Side of Bob Dylan

129. Hazel - Planet Waves

130. Sara - Desire

131. It Takes a Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry - Highway 61 Revisited

132. To Be Alone With You - Nashville Skyline

133. Where Are You Tonight (Journey Through Dark Heat) - Street Legal

134. Too Much of Nothing - The Basement Tapes

135. My Back Pages - Another Side of Bob Dylan

136. You Angel You - Planet Waves

137. Quinn The Eskimo (The Mighty Quinn) - Self Portrait/Greatest Hits vol. 2

138. Down Along the Cove - John Wesley Harding

139. I’ll Keep It With Mine - Bootleg Series vol. 1-3

140. From A Buick 6 - Highway 61 Revisited

141. Dignity - Greatest Hits vol. 3

142. Under Your Spell - Knocked Out Loaded

143. High Water (For Charley Patton) - Love and Theft

144. True Love Tends to Forget - Street Legal

145. Caribbean Wind - Biograph

146. Delia* - World Gone Wrong

147. Disease of Conceit - Oh Mercy

148. Black Diamond Bay - Desire

149. Neighborhood Bully - Infidels

150. Open The Door, Homer - The Basement Tapes

151. Death Is Not The End - Down in the Groove

152. Red River Shore - Bootleg Series vol. 8

153. Farewell, Angelina - Bootleg Series vol. 1-3

154. Someday Baby* - Modern Times

155. Gates of Eden - Bringing It All Back Home

156. Slow Train - Slow Train Coming

157. Rank Strangers to Me* - Down in the Groove

158. Tweeter and the Monkey Man - The Traveling Wilburys vol. 1

159. Angelina - Bootleg Series vol. 1-3

160. Let Me Die In My Footsteps - Bootleg Series vol. 1-3

161. Things Have Changed - Wonder Boys soundtrack

162. As I Went Out One Morning - John Wesley Harding

163. Blowin’ In The Wind- The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan

164. Maybe Someday - Knocked Out Loaded

165. Cat’s In The Well - Under the Red Sky

166. Bob Dylan’s Dream - The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan

167. Workingman’s Blues #2 - Modern Times

168. 2 X 2 - Under the Red Sky

169. Congratulations - The Traveling Wilburys vol. 1

170. Bye and Bye - Love and Theft

171. Leopard Skin Pill-Box Hat - Blonde on Blonde

172. Wallflower - Bootleg Series vol. 1-3

173. I’ve Made Up My Mind to Give Myself to You - Rough and Rowdy Ways

174. To Ramona - Another Side of Bob Dylan

175. Clothes Line Saga - The Basement Tapes

176. Rollin’ and Tumblin’* - Modern Times

177. Watching the River Flow - Single/Greatest Hits vol. 2

178. Till’ I Fell in Love With You - Time Out of Mind

179. Temporary Like Achilles - Blonde on Blonde

180. Baby, Let Me Follow You Down* - Bob Dylan/Bootleg Series vol. 4

181. Corrina, Corrina* - The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan

182. John Wesley Harding - John Wesley Harding

183. Spanish Harlem Incident - Another Side of Bob Dylan

184. Living The Blues - Self Portrait

185. Honey Just Allow Me One More Chance - The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan

186. In The Summertime - Shot of Love

187. Man of Constant Sorrow* - Bob Dylan

188. Handy Dandy - Under the Red Sky

189. False Prophet - Rough and Rowdy Ways

190. She’s Your Lover Now - Bootleg Series vol. 1-3

191. This Dream of You - Together Through Life

192. All I Really Want To Do - Another Side of Bob Dylan

193. Obviously Five Believers - Blonde on Blonde

194. Love Sick - Time Out of Mind

195. You Changed My Life - Bootleg Series vol. 1-3

196. One More Cup of Coffee - Desire

197. Black Crow Blues - Another Side of Bob Dylan

198. Precious Angel - Slow Train Coming

199. Make You Feel My Love - Time Out of Mind

200. I Feel a Change Comin’ On - Together Through Life

These songs are all very good and they span 57 years, from 1963 to 2020–incredible.

3 years ago 02/03/2022 11:05am EST

re: shsd

I think the best way to get a handle on whether Bob's music is good or not is to refer to his peers, and guess what, virtually every rock artist of the past 60ys think his music is quite marvellous. That should be the end of it!

3 years ago 02/03/2022 11:18am EST

re: shsd

I wonder if the OP is still alive, and if his feelings on Dylan have changed at all.

3 years ago 02/03/2022 11:38am EST

re: shsd

Give me ...

Bob Dylan

Tom Waits

Bukka White

Howlin' Wolf

Dr.John

Charley Patton

Blind Willie Johnson

Greg Brown

every day of the week over...

Tom Jones

Neil Diamond

Billy Joel

Elton John

Steve Perry

Engelberg Humperdink

Gotta have some grit and grim, love it rusty.

Bob Dylan is great, talking Mount Rushmore.

3 years ago 02/03/2022 1:39pm EST

re: shsd

shsd wrote:
I'm just trying to see why people like his music. Obviously (excuse me if this is TOO obvious), people don't actually think the music itself is good -- but what am I missing? Clearly it's irony, yes?

Are you saying the songs are not good? A lot of people don't like his singing but if the songs were bad why are they so widely covered by so many artists?

3 years ago 02/03/2022 1:50pm EST

re: DinoZ

Here he is singing about the great Georgia blues icon Blind Willie McTell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uf5gi3E_rQ

It takes Bob Dylan to make that work, the guy is rusty nails and tumbleweeds.

3 years ago 02/03/2022 1:55pm EST

re: DinoZ

3 years ago 02/03/2022 2:37pm EST

re: DinoZ

I think I love everything about this song and have loved it since my dad played whatever outtake/bootleg CDs when I was a teenager. My hair stand on end. This version is so much nicer than the one on his latest outtakes "Springtime In New York." It is slow burning and sparse and haunting in every way. Hey, he vocals were pretty decent too!

3 years ago 02/03/2022 2:46pm EST

re: hourez

I hear ya, yep....haunting....love that word.

This is a legit part of the music world, first recorded in 1933 by Appalachian icon Clarence Ashley (Dylan covers his Little Sadie, nails it) been covered by Waylon Jennings, The Animals (of course) Lead Belly, Georgia Turner, The Callahan Brothers and on and on,....

The iconic House of the Rising Sun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP_caKDfoyU&ab_channel=BobDylanVEVO

3 years ago 02/05/2022 11:06pm EST

re: soso

soso wrote:
Honestly I like Bob Dylan. I don't do it to be cool.

Mathew mcconaughey doesn't drive a Lincoln to be cool.

3 years ago 02/05/2022 11:46pm EST

re: shsd

I want to hate Bob Dylan because I hate his politics but I really like his music. I'm pretty right but no Trump lover but think the anti-establishment 60s stiff is great IF it is well done. His music may not align with me politically but emotionally I think it is poetry and his strange vocal style adds to that.

3 years ago 02/05/2022 11:59pm EST

re: dhe837eudjfh

dhe837eudjfh wrote:
I want to hate Bob Dylan because I hate his politics but I really like his music. I'm pretty right but no Trump lover but think the anti-establishment 60s stiff is great IF it is well done. His music may not align with me politically but emotionally I think it is poetry and his strange vocal style adds to that.

I would say he’s been largely apolitical since 1964. What are you smoking?

3 years ago 02/06/2022 12:22am EST

re: John Wesley Harding

Both folk and blues were designed to be crappy and call it a good thing.

Nowadays it's the rap/r&b hybrid autotuned 3-note stuff, and the car subwoofer stuff, whatever they call it. You can always find a cult following for crap.

Usually the cultists are angry punks who want to lash out at people. I bet if you scroll through this thread you'll find many Dylan fans like that. Very inferior, deep down inside, want to fight.

3 years ago 02/06/2022 12:42am EST

re: Slowpokeman

Slowpokeman wrote:
In terms of his ability as a songwriter, I would challenge any of you with children to listen to Susan Tedeschi's version of "Lord Protect My Child" and have it not bring a tear to your eyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRbZDqwr2Cg
In terms of his singing, Keith Richards once said Dylan's voice was the most effective instrument ever invented.
He is a cultural talent and treasure on the level of a Beethoven or Shakespeare. Perhaps the only artist of our era that 300 years from now will still be listened to, studied, and debated.

Absolutely. I don't know whether there would be more than a handful of people who influenced language as much between Shakespeare and Dylan.

He owns a remarkable ability to take the familiar and to use it in an a new and startling way. He was also responsible for the beginnings of new genres in music - Folk/Rock, Country Rock, you could even say Rap with Subterranean Homesick Blues.

It isn't an accident that he's amassed multiple Grammys (10 - including two for best solo rock vocal, and he's also been awarded/nominated Folk, Country, Country Instrumental , Rock and Americana categories - his Grammy nominations span from 1963 to 2018 - 55 years), an Oscar, a Golden Globe, a Nobel Prize (for literature), a Pulitzer Prize, and a Presidential Medal of Freedom.

You'd be very pressed to find some who has been a great cultural influence over that period of time, and certainly in the field of popular music.

3 years ago 02/06/2022 1:47am EST

re: Bad Wigins

You obviously don't know music if you think them blues is crap. Some of the greatest music ever recorded is them blues. I listen to everything but the opera, historian would work. it gets no better than them old blues.

3 years ago 02/06/2022 2:28am EST

re: DinoZ

^ very angry, wants to lash out

there's a reason blues and folk uses acoustic guitars, harmonicas, other crap instruments.

3 years ago 02/06/2022 2:54am EST

re: Bad Wigins

Bad Wigins wrote:
Very inferior, deep down inside, want to fight.

noted

3 years ago 02/06/2022 10:54am EST

re: John Wesley Harding

John Wesley Harding wrote:
My constantly evolving list of 200 best/personal favorite Dylan songs:
These songs are all very good and they span 57 years, from 1963 to 2020–incredible.

Wow! 'Changing of the Guards' not good enough for your top 200?

3 years ago 02/06/2022 11:11am EST

re: Bad Wigins

Bad Wigins wrote:
^ very angry, wants to lash out
there's a reason blues and folk uses acoustic guitars, harmonicas, other crap instruments.

There is a reason there are a 1000 sites out there dedicated to blues and folk music, TONS of books written for both, movies.

Dude, where did the Rolling Stones get that name? How about Pink Floyd?

3 years ago 02/06/2022 11:56am EST

re: DinoZ

DinoZ wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
^ very angry, wants to lash out
there's a reason blues and folk uses acoustic guitars, harmonicas, other crap instruments.
There is a reason there are a 1000 sites out there dedicated to blues and folk music, TONS of books written for both, movies.
Dude, where did the Rolling Stones get that name? How about Pink Floyd?

2600 sites

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