Yes.
Yes.
She Ran 54.31 according to the Houston Examiner
Stand corrected. She was even wearing the same outfit.
Maybe people of her stature in the running community have "doubles" ;-)
54.31 one lap seems slow for a 1:58 two lapper
ya the juice wouldn't have much effect over 400m. Its the 800m she gets the true bennefit in.
She could have probably run at least 53.low or even sub 53 if she had tried hard... she just shut it down after 300 m like someone else said and cruised in the last 100 m.
The girl who won the 1500 was Nisha Richardson who runs for San Jose State.
no choice wrote:
54.31 one lap seems slow for a 1:58 two lapper
The_Musicman wrote:
no choice wrote:54.31 one lap seems slow for a 1:58 two lapper
Not Necessarily. You have to realize that when running the 800m, she'll go out in 58 sec for the 1st 400m and finish the last 400m in about 60 sec. But I believe she'll knock down that 400 to about 52 low or 51 high.
You have to realize that Maggie Vessey is not your conventional positive splitting 800 runner. She runs almost perfectly even splits or slightly negative splits. Her 1:57 was very even splits and all her 2:00 runs were also extremely even. And I agree, she could run in the 52 range but she is just using it as a tune up race.
You have to realize that Maggie Vessey is not your conventional positive splitting 800 runner. She runs almost perfectly even splits or slightly negative splits. Her 1:57 was very even splits and all her 2:00 runs were also extremely even. And I agree, she could run in the 52 range but she is just using it as a tune up race.
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Ive never heard such dribble in my life. If she is tuning up for a world championships and is a 1:57 athlete, having come from a 400m backround she should be going well below 54s. If she is tuning up why did she apparently jog in the last 100m.
I bet shes in final juiced phase, thats why shes running in a low key race, thats why shes run a rediculous slow time. She will be well cleaned out come Berlin.
Everything about her reeks of suspicion:
Nearly 28 years old.
Coming out of nowhere to be one of the fastest athletes in the world.
Taking 5 seconds off her pr in one year.
Up and down erratic performances.
No shows in europe ! ! ! ! !
Not being able to break 400m even tho she comes from 400m backround.
I could go on but im sure yee get the picture.
She's an american. You must hate america.
compet wrote:
You have to realize that Maggie Vessey is not your conventional positive splitting 800 runner. She runs almost perfectly even splits or slightly negative splits. Her 1:57 was very even splits and all her 2:00 runs were also extremely even. And I agree, she could run in the 52 range but she is just using it as a tune up race.
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Ive never heard such dribble in my life. If she is tuning up for a world championships and is a 1:57 athlete, having come from a 400m backround she should be going well below 54s. If she is tuning up why did she apparently jog in the last 100m.
I bet shes in final juiced phase, thats why shes running in a low key race, thats why shes run a rediculous slow time. She will be well cleaned out come Berlin.
Everything about her reeks of suspicion:
Nearly 28 years old.
Coming out of nowhere to be one of the fastest athletes in the world.
Taking 5 seconds off her pr in one year.
Up and down erratic performances.
No shows in europe ! ! ! ! !
Not being able to break 400m even tho she comes from 400m backround.
I could go on but im sure yee get the picture.
Wow you are blindingly stupid. First of all, it's "drivel", second of all you clearly have no idea how performance enhancing drugs work. Third, how is she avoiding competition by running this meet, since most of her competitors aren't running ANY meets this week? Do you really think she avoided drug tests running and winning MAJOR races in Europe? And exactly how does one "break 400m" when they come from a 400m background? Moron.
compet wrote:
Not being able to break 400m even tho she comes from 400m backround.
I could go on but im sure yee get the picture.
I thought she broke 400m at the finish line?
1. i love america ! !
2. shes obviously juiced.
3. i love lamp.
compet wrote:
Everything about her reeks of suspicion:
Nearly 28 years old.
Coming out of nowhere to be one of the fastest athletes in the world.
Taking 5 seconds off her pr in one year.
Up and down erratic performances.
No shows in europe ! ! ! ! !
Not being able to break 400m even tho she comes from 400m backround.
I could go on but im sure yee get the picture.
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The only picture I get is that you are a complete moron.
WOJO said it best with his quotes below. He addresses all of your points. The only thing he did not address was the ONE missed meet in Europe. (I believe Maggie had some sort of hamstring injury). I have no idea how to answer your quote of "Not being able to break 400m even tho she comes from 400m backround." - I guess just another shinning example of what a complete idiot you are!
"Absolutely not. Vessey's performance in 2009 is surprising but not unbelievable. The fact of the matter is she's always shown herself to be a talent. It only seems like she's come out of the blue because she disappeared for a while. Look at Vessey's career progression. Very steady. Sudden jumps indicate drug use. A steady progression over a long period of time means you are clean.
Since Vessey started running the 800, here are her six seasonal-best times: 2:06.53, 2:05.78, 2:03.10, 2:11.57, 2:02.10, 1:57.84. But that doesn't tell the story, as she has zero times from 2004 and 2006 and only the 2:11 from 2007. So basically, Vessey is someone who ran 2:03 in 2005 and got 2nd at NCAAs in just her 3rd year of running the 800 in 2005. Last year, she ran 2:02 in what was basically her 4th season of running the 800 even though she basically missed all of 2003, 2006 and 2007.
So to go from 2:02 to 2:00 isn't a stretch.
"But she isn't a 2:00 minute runner," you say? To us, the easiest thing to explain is her "sudden jump" her jump from 2:00 to 1:57.8. Not difficult at all. Vessey had been running 2:00 from the back, often running out into lane three or four on the turn. Do people understand how much farther one has to run in lane two than lane one?
Let's assume Vessey's tactics of going way wide on the turn caused her to run the equivalent of just one lap in lane 2. That's an extra 7.67 meters, or 1.15 seconds at 60 second per quarter pace. Two laps in lane 2? 2.3 seconds at 60 second per 400 pace. The jump from 2:00 to 1:57.8 is only 2.2 seconds.
In Monaco, Vessey received an absolute gift. If you think the parting of the Red Sea was amazing, find Vessey as she was able to stay on the rail and move from next to last to next to 1st from 400 to 600. It was very, very lucky it opened up like that. She stayed in lane 1 the entire race which saved her a ton of ground. Plus, the 800 is almost always run fastest if the first lap is faster than the 2nd. So by going out faster the first lap and staying on the rails, it's easy to see her going from 2:00 to 1:57.8."
Yeah, there's no doubt that not only was Monaco Vessey's fastest 800...it was her shortest one.
As to her 400 time of 54whatever...does anybody REALLY think that was an all-out effort in this two-week interlude between a long season and the World Championships?
The world has seen several sub 1:57 800m women that never ran 400 meters below :54.0. Maggie already has and I think she can go sub :53.0 someday soon. Maggie may have come from a 400m background but she is not a 400m runner. She is an 800m runner. Vessey is clean! But just for fun type in Vessey Drugs into Google.
boschenaar wrote:
But just for fun type in Vessey Drugs into Google.
Having lived in S.C. County for 23 years, I find this "drug" thing funny. Only rec drugs are found in S.C.
What time did she do?
Hmm just spotted - 54.31 & I was miles out (53.1)!
Thought she would be more in line with a previous 400m runner like Meadows:
http://www.thepowerof10.info/rankings/rankinglist.aspx?event=800&agegroup=ALL&sex=W&alltime=y
Meadows carried on with the 400's into the senior ranks though
It's a pity the IAAF site is not a comprensive as its interesting to compare under/over distance times