Better you bet wrote:
German and his coaches biggest two worries are:
How many coaches does he have? Is this a Galen Rupp type thing?
Better you bet wrote:
The second factor is their biggest worry. The history of USA running is littered with hispanic runners who physically matured early, and then faded away.
OK historian, name them.
Sir Lance-alot wrote:
face it wrote:To me that makes Jagers accomplishment as a 20 year old even more impressive. Not something that would happen for most college sophomores.
Um, I think I missed your point. It(13:22, 3:54) wouldn't "happen for most [20 y.o.] college sophs", but it did happen for a 20 y.o. pro training with 2 of the very best 5k prospects in US history, so..... it makes it MORE impressive that Jager did it the way he did it (as a pro), as opposed to if he done it as a college runner ???
His accomplishments are amazing in any environment, but I think they were more likely to occur with him training as a pro, than as a college runner, and you seem to suggest that also (maybe you didn't mean to, but you did). Yes, being a pro or college runner has many different forms, but his pro runner environment surpasses just about any college running environment, where college runners DO have more pressure to win certain meets, and run when injured, and do NOT have the resources and training partners that Schumacher's group does have. There are exceptions, but German has a) less resources b) less superstar training partners c) more pressure to race in certain meets and do certain doubles possibly. The pro running environment, unless you decide to go back to your hometown and train with your HS coach, and even possibly then, seems to offer more advantages than disadvantages compared to the college running experience.
I guess I was confusing, but Jager is a college sophomore. He is going to college and is a sophomore, but yet as a 20 year old he has no association within his college. No team, no community there. Just going to college and then being a track athlete aside from college.
I was a D1 runner at a good university and a post collegiate runner at a professional training group. That sense of team and purpose in college was immediately lost upon graduation and I was 23, not a youngster. A lot of the guys I trained with admitted to that feeling, and the problem was we ended up beating eachother up more often than not trying to prove ourselves than actually help eachother achieve goals. In a lot of cases this is what happens with professional training groups. The alternative is to go with a small group or alone, and that certainly doesn't work for everyone.
Again, I think this is why you see so many top college runners fall off after college. For a 20 year old like Jager to leave his college team and experience, and yet still complete his courses as a regular student, well it's just not something most college runners would be too excited about. For him to train and hangout with guys 5-8 years older than him, that's kind of strange as well. Married guys, possibly with kids. For him to adapt to it and come out rocking like he is, to me that's really impressive.
Ohh and FYI, there are a lot of college programs that have exposure to working out with professionals, so for those of you who think that in and of itself is some major advantage it isn't.
BUMP
With two of Jagers teammates going sub 13, and Jerry saying he is the most talented in the group, what are your predictions for next season?
OTCfan wrote:
BUMP
With two of Jager's teammates going sub 13, and Jerry saying he is the most talented in the group, what are your predictions for next season?
He will have his work cut out for him to be in good enough form by the Trials. He is unlikely to be racing sharp. One thing that could work in his favor is team tactics. However, I do not think that they will work together that specifically.
there are 12934821093820938019238210938 kenyans that can do it at age 20 i'm sure.
but i don't feel like trolling today. it was a great performance, maybe broken soon by GF? who knows, can't wait to see EJ run faster!