Which drug is BOLT using

How about Hall and Derrick? What are they using? How about Webb? Shalane? Kara? What was Webb using when he ran 3:53 in high school? Or do they do so much better than their American peers by dint of their hard work and natural talent?

He is a robot so he can't take drug. The CIA is producing this ultra fast robots to use in military mission in Afghanistan.

lalala wrote:

Interesting. At least 95% of the people posting on here are slow white people still trying to get over the failure of white runners to win any gold medals at the last Olympics. Matters what they think.

this has nothing to do with anything. don't try to make yourself feel better.

bolt is doped just like all top world class athletes. white or black.

When was the last time a long distance world record holder from East Africa failed a drug test?[/quote]

Kenya's tested positive: Delilah Asiago (holds 12k record on road, and 4 mile record on road), Ambrose Bitok, Pamela Chepchumba, Susan Chepkemei, Lydia Cheromei, Simon Kemboi,

Elizabeth Muthuka, Charles Nyakundi, Janet Ongera

Ethiopia: Ambesse Tolosa, Alene Emere'

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You are clutching at straws here 12km and 4 mile world record! Its a world best & I could probaly find some Brit from 30 years ago who still holds some obscure world best

Well done for your 2 Ethiopians, count how many athletes from America, UK or Morroco are on the dopers list

1 of the Ethiopians was done for morphine - I don't think that is going to speed you up much!

it has everything to do with the topic. why don't we threads like this pop up every time a chris derrick, ryan hall or kara goucher run well beyond what their peers are doing? don't try and deny your bigotry.

Lets not forget the Kenyans and Ethiopians work with some of the best doctors in the business and considering their higher dependence on the revenues of athletics , less infrastructure and shear volume of athletes that would need to be tested I am not one bit suprised they have less positives than other countries.

I wonder if Manny is using. You know if A-Rod ever gets caught I'll be just devastated....oh wait...

When there is millions of dollars involved there will be cheaters.

Let's play a game. I'll give 1 million dollars to anyone who can break 15:00 for the 5k. How many on here would use every ounce of PED they could? If you said no then you are some pie in the sky 16 year old. I'll give you a wife, two kids, a house, bills....you know, actual responsibilities. Now what?

Now let's say you're a 13:30 guy and you're making the rounds in Europe, running your little B races. You don't see the A racers using but there is talk. Someone gives you a name. Dr. X. You go see Dr. X. once a week and he gives you a "vitamin" shot. "This is just some B12, it'll make you run faster". All of a sudden you're running 13:20, 13:10, etc. You've let your own values get the best of you. As long as you "think" it's B12 then it's ok. Months go by and you just accept your "cheating" a necessary evil in the sport. You do it because you have to to level the playing field.

Of course the athletes get paid, the managers get paid, the promotors get paid and the doctors get paid. As long as people are making money and no one knows about the doping who is hurt? All you have to do is not screw up, don't get greedy, cycle your drugs smartly, don't take anything that will for sure get you caught. Of course what happens is that athletes do get greedy, like Landis, or "over dope" because there is still a race to be won and chances are taken.

There are lots of steroids and other drugs out there you can take and never get caught provided you are cycling off/on them correctly. Athletes have been doing this for decades to make millions.

At first you play the game because you love the game....then you make money...you make millions. From then on you play the game to make millions. Of course you have to put up a face to keep the media happy. Track is no different. 1 million isn't 20 million....but it is still 1 million. Let's not even talk about professional road racing. Unless you run a world best or win a high level marathon you won't get tested.

Let's play another game. I come from a village where $200 could feed my family for a year. I'm a talented runner. Certain coaches and managers are pushing me to go to America and run there. Of course they set me up with doctors and whatnot to make sure I'm healthy. They give me vitamins and whatnot to keep me health. Of course later I realize what they are actually giving me. By this time I've been sending thousands of dollars back to my family and my village. What am I going to do? Just stop? This is just a necessary evil. The "East Africans are naive saints" excuse is flat out idiotic. There weren't too many saints in Kenya this past winter, nor are there many in the Sudan.

The only reason why you may have someone like Bolt that far out in front is of course his genetic talent and hard work but also his reactiveness to the drugs. Not everyone responds the same way to the same drug. It's a matter of finding the combination that works the best for you and the dosage that works the best. As long as you know the criteria they are testing for such as T:E ratio you can cheat up to that point very easily. Hard training is very stressful and releases a lot of cortisol which will in turn reduce testosterone. This is why runners, cyclists and other endurance athletes have low testosterone. So, you cheat your way back to a "normal" T:E ratio and all of a sudden you have increased strength and recovery and therfore are able to train harder and race faster. As long as you don't get caught with the stuff actually in your system, which is why you cycle off before racing, you are golden.

Don't let your eyes fool you. Drugs are a part of the upper echelon of EVERY sport in which thousdands and millions of dollars are to be made. To think otherwise is foolish.

What an overly simplistic view of a very complex problem. Its simply not nearly as easy as you say. And now you have increased risk of getting caught eventually.

We just made a major stride in our sport with the catching of Ramzi, a guy most suspected for 4 years now.

Now we need some follow-up steps.

1) With every catch we need to go after the doctor, coach and agent involved with that athlete as well.

2) The penalties need to be stiffened. 4 year bans minimum with a second offense resulting in a life time ban.

3) We need to go after the financial benefits the runner recieved from his performances while on PED's. Make him/her pay a huge financial price as well and we'll see less willing to take the risk.

How much I've been waiting for the day for sh*t to hit the fan regarding Bolt, for some whistleblower, or someone with a conscience to come out and force WA to just admit he was on a dense cocktail of PEDs and stop with the theatrics.

It'll probably never happen by now; he is long retired and has attained "legendary" status as an athlete - there is very little chance anything will come out now.

You waited 15 years to bump this thread just to say you have been waiting for him to be busted?

Lol the guy’s like me.

I NEVER give up.

Like him, I will be here, waiting…

And there are more of us.

Olympic urine is only retested for 8 years, right? If that's still correct then his Rio samples are about to go past the limit for retesting. If its eight years for all samples, then he's got one more year altogether since he retired in 2017. We're running out of time for the Bolt haters unless he gets popped via investigation / whistleblowing later like Lance did.

That's exactly the point. It has been 8 years since Rio and still nothing, which is why hope is fading, and all I can wish for is a whistleblower to come out or an investigation to lift the shroud.

I haven't given up yet though, and will continue waiting. Track watchers deserve to know the truth regarding one of the greatest track frauds of all time. Every other sprinter within 0.2 of his WR that stared into the abyss had the abyss stare back, yet he, the "best" of them all is spotless? The real world ain't no fairy-tale.

Get a life. His records could not be legally removed even if there were a whistleblower. Why should we believe a whistleblower? There would be ample incentive for them to lie (money) and it's obvious at this point that no physical evidence of doping exists. So it would just be their word.

Bolt's records are as set in stone as Mt. Rushmore.

If people who know won't throw Carl Lewis under the bus, there's no way they're going to do Bolt that dirty. Hell, FloJo's use isn't any kind of secret and no official action was ever taken against her medals.

You big dummies. He was taking SARMS, HGH and good ole testosterone.

There's an astronomical difference though: Carl and FloJo are (were) both Americans, whereas Bolt ain't one - he Jamaican.

Were he American too, I would've barely any hope left, but since he ain't one, I still have a glimmer that he be busted in the future.

So you are basing your hope on naked imperialism? What a wonderful seeker of justice you are. Jesus H. Christo...

Right now the athletics world and LRC in particular are bugging out over Jakobs 7.15.55 and rightly so. "Could this be the greatest running performance ever?" - I mean after all it obliterated a record many once thought was so good it might never be broken in our lifetimes. And in terms of all of the great MD/LD athletes in the history of the world - including the ones that hold the 8, 15, mile, 5 and 10000m records, it is now the highest ranked record we have - worth a 1.40.4 800m, a 3.24.9 1500m, a 3.41.1 mile, 12.31 for 5000m and 26.03 for 10000m.

And still, despite Jakob now being a massive outlier in terms of ability and performance in distance running, he pales comically in comparison to what we are expected to believe Usain Bolt was at his peak, as his WR's of 9.58 and 19.19 clock in at 1355 and 1350 points respectively. To put that in perspective, for Jakob to be as much of an outlier as Bolt he would have had to run 7.12.25 yesterday. You think Mondo is pretty good in the Pole Vault? He would need to be another 6cm higher to be on par with Bolt.

He wasn't just an outlier of the outliers - he was/is a MASSIVE outlier of the outliers. There is only one way you achieve this and it's not McNuggets and beach cricket.

But despite this, Seb Coe could get 3 Olympics and 4 World Championships worth of positive tests from him across his desk tomorrow and you know what would happen? Absolutely nothing. Those results would find the shredder faster than Bolt in Berlin. There was zero incentive to catch him then and even less now. Those records are going nowhere.