Fastest 2 mile time for Military guys??

I knocked off 85 PU 84 SU and a 9:37 2-mile on a track in basic over at Ft. Benning earlier this year

I'm here in Baghdad right now and just took another test: 98 Push-ups 83 Sit-ups and 7:54 (isn't that a NewWR) for THEIR two mile. It's wicked short---from Bremers place to the Palace gates and back. Anyway, gotta hit the city streets. Hope everyone has a fast season.

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At OCS (Quantico) I gained 10 pounds and still managed a 16 flat on the final PFT. I also posted a sub 21 for the 3 mile combat run on the hilly gravel road with boots, canteens, and rifle.

I thought the PT (especially running) was not enough, so I would go out for runs during weekend liberty.

If Gary B is right, then, you ran about 10:02 for the 2 mile split. Just a quick Calculation.

Just got back in country after a bit of emergency leave as the youngest had some medical problems, all is well. Hope will be spending New Years in Kuwait, then back to Tikrit.

Dan Browne took all the money and tax payers did pay him just as they pay those jokers in Boulder now who are either injured or running 2:52 marathons!

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Army KLTC wrote:

Dan Browne took all the money and tax payers did pay him just as they pay those jokers in Boulder now who are either injured or running 2:52 marathons!

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It sounds like the Army program needs to be more selective with their athletes. The Ethically Challenged (Dan Brown) and Athletically Challenged (all the rest) have no place in a program like this Army elite program.

Hope things worked out well. Give me a call tomorrow on my cell. As for the time trial discussion I know who has the record for the Marine Corps and it is Farley Simon. He won the Marine Corps Marathon twice, the first time in 2:17 the second at the age of 45 in 2:28 I believe. His best in the 5k is 14:09 so you know the ole' boy could throw down a sub 9:00 minute two mile.

Yeah, Yeah, I know...we'll have some 12 year old wanksta on here in a few minutes talking about how sub 9 two mile is nothing to talk about. So, to give a quick retort, when you are leading a group of Marines day in and day out working well into the 60 hour a week range, finding time to drop a sub 9 minute two mile on the track is fairly impressive in my book.

farley simon was amazing. my dad worked with him out at mcrd in california, and they would do a marathon relay. my dad was a decent runner. he would do a 30 min 8k, or around that, and was never a runner until he was in the corps. always a football player, and strong as hell, but he said simon would go sub 25. for people not in the military that might be nothing, but like the above post said, you live a busy life, with long days on your feet leading marines. you don't get to rest between runs.

Ethically challenged?? You obviously don't know the guy. You obviously don't know his dedication to his faith, his country, or his dreams. Watch your mouth, your mind is showing.

Yea man, how can you say something like that? How is Dan Browne "ethically challenged?"

Generally success breeds comtempt from your peers who wish they had they same success. I would wager a bet those who are upset at his taking money from the road races he won would have done the same thing...actually I am sure they would have.

Ive done 102 push ups, 100 sit ups and 10:22 for 2 miles

finished 15th at 2003 Army 10 miler in 53:06

This guy Simon sounds impressive, I was East Coast or I probably would have been aware of him, but I have to disagree with your assessment of being able to train in the USMC. Firstly, a 60 hr. work week in the Corps is not signifigant. Secondly, grabbing 90 minutes during the day for a workout is actually encouraged, if not already part of the training schedule. Taking lunch was for turds, but you could dissappear in the woods for an hour run, and you were a stud. If I did that at my civilian job, I'd be a freak.

I attended Air Assault School at Ft Campbell in the late eighties, pretty much a joke of a school. Anyway, a requirement for graduation was a 6 mile combat gear march/run (pack w/rifle) in the first week and the final week, a 12 miler.

I recall running the six mile in 35:39 and the 12 miler in 1hr 15 min. Of course who nows if the course was accurate. This won the Road March Champion Certificate and Distinguished Honor Grad Certificate. These times were supposed to be school records at the time. Anyone else complete the course.

53 Pilot, I'm afraid to disagree, your generalization is a common mistake. I'm a Sailor who works closely with Marines, and yes in some administrative positions, they MAY have the time to train, but in many other positions they don't, also, it was my personal experience that although most of the leadership loves a winner, Marine leaders tend to prefer and support combat related sports, boxing, wrestling, etc. If you watch TOP GUN you may think all pilots do is hotdog, ride motorcycles and chase a woman around, we in the military know that it is not so glamorous, (except for the chase women part). By your sign on name you should know the long hours pilots face throughout their careers, on a personal note, he was a Drill Instructor, working 17 hour days, revolving his training into the late night, a single father for most of his running career, he was also the the first Marine to win Marine Corps Marathon, and place high in others. He qualified his first time out in 2:17 and had only started running once he joined and seriously training at age 24.

"In the know" I would have to agree with you but some of what "53 pilot" says is true. If you take a long lunch in the private sector to workout people might look at you with a bit of distain wondering where your priorities are. The military and some private companies have an environment where "working out" at lunch or before work is encouraged but from what I have found, there is a big difference between "working out" and "training". Sure, we have a few guys who go to the gym at lunch and ride the bike for 30 min and then throw around some dumb bells and they consider it a workout. It works for them as they keep some weight off and they can walk up a flight of stairs without getting winded, but there is no way that can help a guy run 2:17. For someone trying to do that you have to have total focus and a disciplined "training" program which takes a ton of time. When you try to train like you should to achieve those goals you will run into some serious problems with the chain of command unless you have someone on your side who understands and gives you the green light to take care of business. For the most part you don't have that as the mid level officers and NCO's see it as time away from work with no benifit to them or the unit. All the more impressive for Farley and guys like him who have run those incredbile times. Maybe he had some help? Maybe he didn't. He still ran 2:17 working a full time job and that is more than most people can say. I'd put money his job was more demanding than most.

The reason the ARMY has WCAP is so guys like Browne and the rest can train like a real athlete and have the chance to run fast times. People in that program have run fast even though many on this board feel they should be running faster. At least they are moving in the right direction. If those guys were with a regular unit they would have no chance at all for success becuase someone in their chain of command would make sure of it. It is a werid environment.

Bottom line, For Farley to run 2:17 working a demanding job is quite a feat. No matter what job you have, too many people think you can run a marathon off 5 miles a day at lunch and they balk anytime you try to take extra time for a run. They will put up all sorts of road blocks hindering what you are trying to do. Yet, when a major competition comes around where you are representing them they will be the 1st ones in line telling you, "Hey you better win that thing will ALL THE TRAINING WE LET YOU DO!" Really? How about you............

GaryB, happy to see you are doing well. I'm a 10:00 hater!!! 10:03 and 10:06 a bunch of times but then again I suck at the PT test. Maybe when i get more than 80 points on the PU I will break 10. Ponch ran 9:45 a few months ago. I just don't get motivated to run much faster than 10:30 usually. Ponch and I will probably be over there by the summer so there goes Ft Lewis's chances at a 10 Miler repeat. Oh Well! My bro heads over in a few weeks so Hawaii won't have anyone either. We will have to see about putting a OIF team together there! (That is if ponch will leave his cushy staff job!) Found any good track stadiums over there yet? Do they have treadmills set up or are the boys just over there getting fat and slow? keep us updated over here with regular post. You can be the Letsruns.com embedded reporter!

Hey Gary B

Greetings from San Diego from your one-time Ride n' Tie partner from Penasquitos Canyon...We had 'em Gary if only I didn't try and "talk" you in during that last mile of your bike portion...I still relish my only real head to head win against you in Sue Krenn 15K in '91 or so...

Be safe...

There is a stadium in Tikrit but it tends to be a target of mortar fire, not the best conditions to be doing speed work!! The FOB that I'm in is Saddams North Palace compound and it's pretty good sized. There are a couple of lakes on it and I have managed to come up with some 30, 45 and 60 minute courses to train on. We haven't recieved much incoming mortar fire in the past 2 months, so there's not much danger in training here. Going out of the compound in anything other than full battle rattle is non existant. Some FOBs do have treadmills, but we don't. We do have a really nice gym. The MWR building at Camp Wolverine has a much nicer gym with treadmills. But then again, those in Kuwait have a lot nicer stuff than we do!!

We've had a couple of races here, I won the Thanksgiving 5k, and will run a 10k on another FOB on the 18th. It's sponsored by RW, CamelBak, SureFire...prizes could potentially be nice!!

If you have any questions about what to expect here give me a shout on email.