Sub 30 MINUTE 10k guys- your training??

i know you wrote:

i could do but they hide behind stupid names, i konw stormin as i run for the same club and took his club 10k road record

You sound like a huge cock Jason Ward.

I must say that this is an interesting thread on Geoff. I'd love to know who "tonny-runner" is also.

I can confirm that he was coached by Eddie Soans for a spell before he left for the U.S. I also remember him telling me a story in which they went to the track for a session of 200's and Geoff asked him "how fast". I think the reply was "flat out". Out with Geoff earlier this year when he was visiting Liverpool and as I am now coaching the endurance group I tried to pickup a few tips, as you do. He did emphasise how much the speed work seemed to help and would always run a few 200's hard during a steady run.

Of course, at this time we also had Dave Murphy and John Woods, two other fine athletes. Also before this our road relay team in the mid 70's was one of the best around. I am trying to "roll back the years" with the present group I coach and we're slowly getting there.

Ghost were you at Wimbledon in 1975 for the National 6 stage?

I saw those races in England (in Wimbledon) and they were like a 'who's who' of super elite British athletes racing on the roads. Those were the days, when a lot of clubs had National and even World class runners. Everyone would turn out.

I was always impressed by the Northern runners in those days - my heroes were guys like Dave Slater (Skyrac), Keith Angus (Sheffield), Graham Ellis (Holmfirth), Steve Kenyon (Bolton), Mike Freary (Bolton), Gerry Helme (Leigh), Steve Anders (Stretford), Karl Harrison (Stretford), and a bunch of others, too numerous to mention. John Temperton, was another great athlete, especially on the roads. All those lads were solid athletes who put the miles in, and raced their hearts out, mostly on a weekly basis.

I remember sitting on a train after the AAA 10,000, and finding a seat next to Dave Slater. Those guys were top class runnners, but their attitude and demeanor was nothing like that which is typical of Premier League soccer players.

Some of those lads from the North were ordinary blokes who worked in factories (Dave Slater), or were teachers (Angus), and they always managed to fit their training around their jobs. Slater used to run a 5-6 mile run every morning before clocking into his factory at 7.30am. Southern runners were good too - but I always got the impression that the Northern runners epitomized the really tough runners - working class, and tough as nails.

Those were the days, and it is sad to realize that we will never see days like that again.

Ghost in Korea

ghost wrote:

Some of those lads from the North were ordinary blokes who worked in factories (Dave Slater), or were teachers (Angus)....., but I always got the impression that the Northern runners epitomized the really tough runners - working class, and tough as nails.

Those were the days, and it is sad to realize that we will never see days like that again.

Ghost in Korea

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Ghost:

How many Brits broke 30:00 for 10K each year in the early/mid '70's and how many can do it today? Seems to be a "developed nation" problem world wide, no?

newwwwj wrote:

What training do you guys do? What do yo do mon, tues,wed etc

I did not read all 85 answers, but after seeing this number I wondered: "Are there really 85 letsrunners who have cracked 1,800 seconds for 10,000 meters?

NBC wrote:

Its a new website which went live last week but check out:-

http://www.runnerslife.co.uk

Interesting website developing for anyone looking to break 30mins for 10K. Also shows a video of the UK National Relays, always wondered what they looked like.

I feel you might be being a little harsh on the runners "doing it now". Talking of the Northern athletes Leeds for instance do have a really good group of lads that would give the runners you have mentioned a good run I believe. And of course there are also the Southern lads from Belgrave, Aldershot and Newenham.

I agree we wont see the strength in depth that there was, particularly in the mid eighties but there are some good lads out there. In my previous message I mentioned Liverpool's Smith, Murphy and Woods. I coach a lad at Liverpool Harriers now who, at 20, is faster than all of them over 5k at the same age. It's up to me to see that he makes that progress down to what they all achieved - and faster if possible.

Hi there, if you are interested in training towards sub 30k drop me an email and we will see what we can do.

serious and no charge

10ktrg @ googlemail.com

Ghost,

Keep 'em coming. These bios are great motivation for this white collar, 45 mpw, hack!

Are you asking me if I want to get under 30 for 10k!! I'm 54 I think those days are gone. I coach these days and my fastest lad is 29:45 - not too bad for a 20year old.

Good thread...........

I recommend to read what John Kellogg has wroten to letsrun if you want to know how you will reach your limits.

U.N.O. wrote:

I recommend to read what John Kellogg has wroten to letsrun if you want to know how you will reach your limits.

I am no grammar expert, but "wroten" come one?!?!

Amy more info on John Kellogg?

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Liverpool Team Manager, who is that guy you're coaching? whats his pr's and his training?

Its Johnny Mellor. Liverpool have had a solid group of lads over the last couple of years but with Phil McGlory losing interest, Peers now at Loughboro Uni, Gundo now at Birmingham Uni has this unsettled the club and disrupted the training. I hear Gundo is a bit of a joker and real motivator surely the club is missing his input.

Yes it is Jon I'm talking about - no suprises there. It is a shame that Adam and Graig have left for Loughborough and Birmingham and we wish them well. I'm sure we'll see them during holiday periods. However, if you think everybody's de-motivated because of Gundo going your'e very wrong.

We usually have a group of about 20 for our Tuesday night session and everyone works ther tripe out be they 30 min or 34 min 10k runners.

As I said in another message reply it is Jon Mellor. He is a fast improving athlete having brought down his 5k time this year on the track from 14:55 to 14:02.

I don't want to go into his training details too much but suffice it to say he does a lot more endurance based work with me, whereas his last coach did more speed work - fast efforts very long recoveries. He used to sunbathe between efforts during the Summer!!

The one thing that did seem to help a lot was sessions of Tempo Intervals. A couple of months of these this time last year saw his 5 mile road time brought down from 25:05 to 23:45 in one go - then again perhaps he was simply ready for the breakthrough.

Liverpool Team Manager wrote:

Are you asking me if I want to get under 30 for 10k!! I'm 54 I think those days are gone. I coach these days and my fastest lad is 29:45 - not too bad for a 20year old.

my apologies, I was opening it up in general, to those who are interested

I will take on a max of 5 athletes and provide a structure for them to work on

the athlete must have run no slower than 31:30 in the last 6 months and of reasonable fitness now or a sub 15min 5k runner moving up

ANyone may drop an email if interested

10ktrg @ googlemail.com