75848 wrote:
silent majority..you sound like a real arrogant prick...and this is coming from another trials qualifier
Lol. That troll really makes you angry, doesn't he? Enough so to create a post that contributes absolutely nothing to an already worthless thread. Letsrun at its finest.
Does it really matter? Does he have any shot of making the Olympic team? That is the only reason for someone to run in the Olympic Trials, to make the team.
Joshwho wrote:
Does it really matter? Does he have any shot of making the Olympic team? That is the only reason for someone to run in the Olympic Trials, to make the team.
But how many times have you heard from sub-elites "this IS my Olympics."
Cox can't finish a race!!! Leave him out.
Cox couldn't run 28:45 when he was in 2:13 shape so how's is he going to do it now? Regarding LA, according to Josh (via San Diego area newspapers and google) he was initially planning on qualifying in LA, he had some issues and decided to run LA as a 13-18 mile tempo run and if he felt good he would continue the race in pursuit of 2:22. That didn't happen. He didn't run the full race so he was't in 2:22 shape then. His next best bet would have been Rock'n Roll in San Diego...his hometown. I'm guessing he didn't try there either. Then there would have been Grandmas...didn't run that one either. If he was a 2:05-10 guy then I might be able to see some validity in his petition, but he's not. I don't see the point in having a 5k and 10k qualifying time and so I think having a half-marathon qualifying time is just as pointless. If USATF wants to set it up so that fast athletes can get in without running a qualifying time then they should just offer special entry into the race for a select few without running some other track standard. If another Ritz comes along and wants to make his marathon debut at the Trials then I have no problem with that...just let him in. The qualifying times really has never been about the selection of the top three. The qualifying times in the marathon have always been about rewarding as many people as possible so that you have a large enough race. The track is for the fast stars, the OT Marathon is more for the blue collar runner. It gives mortals a chance to race against the best.
Alan
I ran a 64 half marathon and am 0-2 in my attempts to run under 2:22. If they let in Josh Cox based on a half marathon time, then can they let me in too?
And yes, I'm running Chicago to earn my spot the real way. Grandma's didn't treat me well.
I've heard enough about Josh Cox to last me a lifetime. This guy's best moments were when he briefly led in Boston, and his "depth of me" speech to that whore on that tv show, and fighting with that gay frenchman who the whore liked better anyway.
Besides that, the treadmill crap, the beer mile, the endless calf raises needed to keep his powerbar sponsorship, and going on and on (and on) about being a virgin at age 32 -- as if that were something to be proud of -- and now THIS? If he can run a Q time, then he deserves to be there. If not, I wish he'd get back to calf raising, power-bar eating gilmore girls watching life so that the rest of us don't have to learn about the depth of him.
O.K., I'll admit that I laughed when I read that comment.
he is NOT even going to run the trials. The pilot he was shooting for the FOX this summer was picked up as a possible midseason replacement show so they are shooting 12 episodes, at present.
Who is Jox Cox? Sounds like a porn star.
Ummm, link?
right... wrote:
he is NOT even going to run the trials. The pilot he was shooting for the FOX this summer was picked up as a possible midseason replacement show so they are shooting 12 episodes, at present.
FOX, huh? That's perfect. The network that preaches Christian values, but only hires women who look like porn stars.
He'd like to run the BAA Half Marathon on Oct. 7 and submit a qualifying time from that event. Strangely enough, however, while you can qualify with a 5000-meter performance, you can't qualify with a half-marathon. "That's like telling the 10K guys they can qualify with a 1500-meter time, but not with a 5000 time," he notes. "It doesn't make much sense to me."
Based on that, he does have a point. If they're gonna accept 10000 times, they should accept half marathons.
I guess he is running Chicago.
To a certain extent, I'll grant him the part about it not making sense that you can qualify with a 5k/10k but not a half. I wondered when they announced the 5k/10k standards why they didn't set one for the half marathon. The standard could be set much higher than the 2:22 marathon equivalent just like the 5k/10k is. I don't know if they didn't set a half marathon mark due to a fear of too many people running point-to-point downhill courses to get qualifiers or what the reasoning was. However, if USATF allows Cox in on a half marathon standard, they'd better be prepared to receive a lot of petitions. I know if I'd run anywhere near whatever time he runs at the BAA Half during the qualifying period, I'd be sending in a petition. My honest guess is they won't open that can of worms, and JC better be prepping for Chicago like most everybody else who doesn't have the time yet. Hopefully USATF will let him know ahead of time if they're not gonna grant him his wish so he can change his plans and do Berlin or Chicago instead. It would suck if he popped off a 1:03 on the BAA course and then was told "that's too bad but you're still sitting at home."
I do agree as well. The marathon is on the roads so it would seem better to accept a road race time as long as it is a certified half marathon course.Maybe let people get a 'B' standard only with a half marathon time. If there are more guys at the trials it just gives a little more money for the race.
Webber Grill wrote:
Based on that, he does have a point. If they're gonna accept 10000 times, they should accept half marathons.
I'm pretty sure they won't let him in with just a time from a half, and that RW article basically confirms that. However, if they were gonna allow half marathon times, you can bet that a place like Philly in a few weeks would be jam packed with guys looking for qualifiers. Other aided courses like 3M in Austin and Las Vegas would be packed during years where people could qualify too. Maybe that's one of the reasons USATF didn't want to go there. Too many people seeking and getting qualifiers on aided courses. You can do that now in terms of an aided course, but at least you have to cover a full 26.2 not just 13.1.
As a side note, I'm not sure what harm it would do to let people in on a half standard. Like somebody else said, just give them the B Standard so they have to pay their own way. Not that many additional guys would make it if you set the standard pretty high, and it might lead to some extra excitement and publicity for a few half marathons.
From what I was told, they created the 5k and 10k standards as entries to the olympic marathon trials in attempt to motivate the shorter event talent to move up into a distance they could be competitive on the world level.
The half marathon is a fringe race in a sense that the majority of the top talent the runs them come from the marathon distance dropping down, not coming up from the 5k/10k ranks.
If what I was told/read was correct, they really don't think that those 5k/10k guys will make the marathon team. It will just introduce them to a new event so down the road they can do something big.
Like others have said, opening up the half marathon window to qualify might allow for a bunch more new qualifiers. Could be a good thing, could be a bad thing.
If they open up a new window for people to qualify threw, good for them. No special treatment for someone like Cox though.
I agree they should have a 1/2 marathon standard but what's keeping everyone from doing Fontana Days 1/2 marathon (2000 feet drop) and getting an easy 1:04 or 1:05?
However, while I think they should open up the trials to everyone and hold an elite wave (maybe a 1-3 min head start like how marathons do for a battle of the sexes or an elite starting line like at most marathons) if they are going to have a MARATHON standard then they should have to run it.
I wonder how many of the 5k/10k qualifiers who haven't run a 2:22 are actually going to do it. I don't see Legat making it to the starting line (though that would be great if he showed up and blasted the first 2-3 miles and then dropped out!).
Make Cox run 2:22. Any pussy who can't close the deal at the age of 32 certainly doesn't have a shot at blowing his wad when out of shape at the OT.