base mileage = no no for track

nyloco wrote:... peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.

The purpose of base mileage is to increase the mitochondrial mass of the slow twitch fibres. This not only helps in a long distance race, it also helps to oxidize Lactate (use it as a muscle fuel) in middle distance races too.

Bravo wrote:

Please listen to Coach B, he knows what he's talking about....and YES this will help you for the mile.

Something tells me the430miler will be runnin 430's for a loooooooong time.

thank you for your post.

i also hope that i am running 430's for a loooooong time.

as a matter of fact, i hope to still be running 430's when im 60 or 70 years old; or as long as i live dfor that matter.

Snell had it all wrong. All those miles for nothing.

Clyde Hart says, "Speed and strength are synonymous."

http://www.sports-fitness.com/article/sf/uk/read/78/5

Nic Bideau says, “As long as you are running fast once a week you can do hardly any high quality sessions for six months and maintain the capability to be ready to race at a high level within a few weeks. The ability to run anaerobically comes very quickly to most athletes.”

http://www.sports-fitness.com/article/sf/uk/read/108/5

That's the same philosophy as Storey etc go with.

The far less well known and far less respected Andy Barber says, "The proof of the pudding is in the eating. So I'll go with the likes of Hart, Bideau & Storey."

the430miler wrote:

i also hope that i am running 430's for a loooooong time.

as a matter of fact, i hope to still be running 430's when im 60 or 70 years old; or as long as i live dfor that matter.

Well considering that you think that running a sub 5:00 minute mile at age 50 is nothing special, it seems logical that you will be running 4:30 miles well into your 60's and 70's.

Coach W[/quote]

Come on. If you are trying to make this sound legit, you should know that DIII schools do not give athletic scholorships. No wonder you have a bad team, you don't know anything about it! ha[/quote]

I hope this is not a serious response.

Wow i would hate to have 430 being my coach, i would only run like 30 miles per week..... is that why you can only run 16:46? How do you expect to run a 2:36 marathon without distance training and still be able to run 430's if you plan on running them till you're 60 or 70?

Slave of required education wrote:

How do you expect to run a 2:36 marathon without distance training and still be able to run 430's if you plan on running them till you're 60 or 70?

my low-mileage regimen is what will increase my competitive longevity. running is extremely hard on the body, and therefore less of it means less injuries and less wear-and-tear on your knees/joints/lower extremities.

i used to have a very immature mentallity towards running and life in general. i thought you could never have too much of a good thing. well, i was wrong. it seems like all things in life that you enjoy the most also have a downside/consequence when doing them too often over a period of time. im not just referring to running, but other hobbies which are off-topic and needless to mention.

running less also means greater psychological (mind) benefits when you actually set time aside for running. it creates what us physiology extrordinares like to call "endorphins". something becomes a routine when it is done everyday exactly the same over a period of 30 days, this is when you mentally accostomed to physically doing it. running for me is not a

daily "routine", but a pleasure in which i look forward to having and never get mentally burnt out on. i will always be a part of this sport, and nothing can compare to the mentallity and desire that you have to compete to the best of your physiological ability when the time comes.

let me ask you this question...

which athlete would perspire the most over a life-time? i am referring to not what they accomplished in their younger days, but what they accomplished in their masters as well.

would it be the person who runs low mileage and healthy joints and has a heckova competitive mentallity towards personal bests?

or would it be the person who runs high mileage all of the time and gets mentally AND physically burnt out before they reach the age of 30, including having all of their knees/back/lower extremities completely overused and arthritisised to a point where they can only wish they ran less of those "useless" miles when they were an ignorant adolescent??

as i have stated before, i realize 427 isnt at the elite level for adults, but i guarantee i have for love/passion/desire for the sport than any other elite runner. im not about to allow all of my future years go to waste becuase i wanted to follow some lidiard theory of running high miles/ruining my joints/and breaking down all of muscle mass. it just isnt worth it.

in reply to skuj earlier in the thread, most of my runs are now 20 minutes becausse i believe that flushes out my system and is long enough to restore blood flow to torn areas for increased glycogen. i get all over my "work" done on the track with Bravo and i feel magnificent. im ready to run hard, train smart (lightly) and live long/prosper my running career. i mentally laughing at how much more longevity my running career will have compared to all of you high-mileage people.

Dear 430miler, you are a creative genius.

I applaud you!

IF you're seriously this concerned about losing muscle from as little mileage(Yes, the mileage you're doing would be considered laughable by a competitive runners standard) then you need to consider supplementing your mileage with weight training. A Plyometric routine should prove very beneficial for a mid-distance guy. As a former D1 athlete i can tell you that BASE IS VERY IMPORTANT!. One of my favorite qoutes of all time regarding base has to be this; "You can't fire a cannon out of a canoe." because it's true. You have one or two good races this year, but my bet is that you won't last til the end of the season with a proper base.

Word!

the430miler wrote:

running less also means greater psychological (mind) benefits...

thanks for clearing that up for us, you stupid shit.

you ARE a troll, and you ARE the most obnoxious person on this thread

the430miler wrote:

let me ask you this question...

which athlete would perspire the most over a life-time? i am referring to not what they accomplished in their younger days, but what they accomplished in their masters as well.

Perspire? I don't know, I think it matters how hot it is outside.

I really am curious to see how his thinking develops in the future. Will he have a crisis when he realizes how much he embarrassed himself or will he just start to "get it"?

F***ing brilliant, though, really. I'm putting a steak on my shirt before my morning long run. Hopefully can have a lot of the Oxford Dons' dogs chasing me around!!!

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my low-mileage regimen is what will increase my competitive longevity. running is extremely hard on the body, and therefore less of it means less injuries and less wear-and-tear on your knees/joints/lower extremities.

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van Aaken, one one the few coaches who was interested in longevity, health and well-being, and running/racing performance, stated that long term athletic development [and health] centred on easy distance runs, and that only a few shorter tempo runs and sprints were needed for racing. His insight was that for general, long term health and racing performance one should run at least 10km daily.

"You can't fire a cannon out of a canoe."

I love it. 430, running well at a competitive level is about finding a balance in your training and staying just this side of the line between training and overtraining. Running tons of miles obviously wasn't the answer for you, but doing podunk mileage and speedwork probably isn't either. Most decent runners could take a dump longer than your weekly mileage.

Well I see you've already patted yourself on your back for this ingenious plan, even though it's not yet finished...

You're essentially pumping your arms because you're in the lead at the 800 meter mark in a mile race.

100

Wejo. Glad you're back. You're behind on the shirts.

Abacus wrote:

Most decent runners could take a dump longer than your weekly mileage.

and that is something to be proud of?

this isnt football, this is running.