By the logic of some letsrun.com posters, Sean Brosnan must be an awful coach if Lex and Leo have not been exceptional at the university level. In other words, Coach Brosan burned them out is the reasoning. However, experienced people would view the situation through a different lens, and they might say the Brosnan was a better coach than the Stanford coaches, at least for individualizing training and instructing them on how to compete. Or, the answer may be that Lex and Leo are challenged so heavily in academics at Stanford they are jot improving due to fatigue outside of running.
Note, I think Brosnan is a very good coach.
You need to pick a side here. You're waffling back and forth between excuses, anyone can do that. Given your perceived experience, which is it?
1) Brosnan burned them out- How? High mileage? Too many races? Hard workouts? All the above?
2) Stanford coach not as good as Brosnan- Ricardo is a good coach, and does nothing to warrant him being "awful" or "bad". He's had a lot of success with many runners. When the boys decided to attend Stanford, I'm sure Brosnan reached out to Ricardo to gauge what works for the boys and what doesn't. The Boys NEED to adjust accordingly, and there's no reason they couldn't.
3) Lex and Leo were over challenged academically- Unless both were totally CLUELESS! If they didn't know what they were getting themselves into academically at Stanford, they deserve to run like sh^t. Also, Stanford is a VERY athletic friendly school, who supports their athletes on all levels.
Adjusting to collegiate athletics isn't as easy as you think. Being a high school phenom doesn't guarantee anything, it helps, but doesn't always transition over to the next level.
I doubt Santos really cared to listen to what Brosnan had to say, especially since he was a fellow rival ncaa coach at the time.
Are we not allowed to say what you can see just looking at them? They aren't going to be as fast as Nico because they aren't built like him. They're more muscular. They've filled out since high school. They're in great shape, they're doing fine, it just is what it is.
Exactly. They’ve had fun and they will end up with degrees from Stanford. Track is so niche, most prospective employers won’t know dissly about their track careers. But they will see those degrees. Far more important in the long run.
forgot about rocky and tinoda, the rest based on what they did in hs have been underwelming
I think Caudillo has progressed well. Going from a 4:04 miler to a 3:35 1500m runner is pretty solid. Was Jackson Spencer class of 2023 as well? He’s gone 3:33 which is also great progression
Are we not allowed to say what you can see just looking at them? They aren't going to be as fast as Nico because they aren't built like him. They're more muscular. They've filled out since high school. They're in great shape, they're doing fine, it just is what it is.
Exactly. They’ve had fun and they will end up with degrees from Stanford. Track is so niche, most prospective employers won’t know dissly about their track careers. But they will see those degrees. Far more important in the long run.
Are all the on the cusp runners that didn’t attend Stanford, effed for life, as far as their working career goes? Stanford grads equal .12% of all college graduates in the U.S. and I’ll bet there are some success stories for those that didn’t attend Stanford.
A law partner that my Mom worked with, was an awesome rainmaker and took great pride in the crappy schools he attended.
after they graduate it wouldn't surprise me if they transfer to NAU as grad students and spend a year at altitude.
I think you may be missing the point that some of us are trying to make. I don't mean to unduly denigrate or elevate any particular academic or athletic institution, and I certainly don't want to predict what any particular student or athlete might choose to do, but one does not ordinarily choose to attend Stanford as an undergraduate with the aspiration of later attending Northern Arizona University as a graduate student.
You make a valid point, unless you are an Stanford undergrad like me who double-majored in girls and frat parties. Unaccredited Law School, here I come!
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forgot about rocky and tinoda, the rest based on what they did in hs have been underwelming
I think Caudillo has progressed well. Going from a 4:04 miler to a 3:35 1500m runner is pretty solid. Was Jackson Spencer class of 2023 as well? He’s gone 3:33 which is also great progression