Maybe you could summarize that 100 page doc filled with legalese? What are the main accustions vs Salazar? What is the proof of those allegations?
It’s been out for over 6 years. There are multiple threads here and elsewhere that have spelled that out for the lazy. So, if you really wanted to know the answer to the OP’s question, you would know it by now. If you just want to argue, that’s why you wouldn’t know why he was banned.
And Salazar never disputed the evidence for the three actions he was banned for. He just argued that none of his actions were violations of the WADA code.
An interesting question, given that WADA's goal is to protect clean athletes. If no NOP athletes were banned, which clean athletes were protected by Salazar's ban?
Not really an important point. First, WADA wasn't directly involved in Salazar's doping ban, That was USADA + AAA + CAS. Second, according to WADA rules, WADA code violations are subject to bans, regardless of whether or not clean athletes are being protected, Third, banning a coach who committed three ARDVs may very protect clean athletes of the future.
USADA was formed to achieve WADA's goals. Sure, ban Salazar and Brown for their ADRVs. The rules required charging Magness too, but that didn't happen.
I think in every organization, it is important to be able to gauge the benefits of their actions to see if it is best advancing the objectives and missions of anti-doping organizations. The primary "raison d'etre" of all anti-doping organizations is ultimately to protect clean athletes.
USADA spent 5 years investigating and 2 years litigating against Salazar and Dr. Brown. I think it's fair to ask who the beneficiaries were, considering all of Salazar's NOP athletes, and Magness, were always free to compete at all times.
Given the amount of resources invested in these prosecutions, I wonder what the opportunity cost of that investment was.
And Salazar never disputed the evidence for the three actions he was banned for. He just argued that none of his actions were violations of the WADA code.
I don’t remember all of the charged actions but the charge of applying T cream on your son doesn’t belong in the purview of any ADA.
Maybe you could summarize that 100 page doc filled with legalese? What are the main accustions vs Salazar? What is the proof of those allegations?
It’s been out for over 6 years. There are multiple threads here and elsewhere that have spelled that out for the lazy. So, if you really wanted to know the answer to the OP’s question, you would know it by now. If you just want to argue, that’s why you wouldn’t know why he was banned.
It’s been out for over 6 years. There are multiple threads here and elsewhere that have spelled that out for the lazy. So, if you really wanted to know the answer to the OP’s question, you would know it by now. If you just want to argue, that’s why you wouldn’t know why he was banned.
Not really an important point. First, WADA wasn't directly involved in Salazar's doping ban, That was USADA + AAA + CAS. Second, according to WADA rules, WADA code violations are subject to bans, regardless of whether or not clean athletes are being protected, Third, banning a coach who committed three ARDVs may very protect clean athletes of the future.
USADA was formed to achieve WADA's goals. Sure, ban Salazar and Brown for their ADRVs. The rules required charging Magness too, but that didn't happen.
I think in every organization, it is important to be able to gauge the benefits of their actions to see if it is best advancing the objectives and missions of anti-doping organizations. The primary "raison d'etre" of all anti-doping organizations is ultimately to protect clean athletes.
USADA spent 5 years investigating and 2 years litigating against Salazar and Dr. Brown. I think it's fair to ask who the beneficiaries were, considering all of Salazar's NOP athletes, and Magness, were always free to compete at all times.
Given the amount of resources invested in these prosecutions, I wonder what the opportunity cost of that investment was.
Now you are asking a different question....
Anyway, yes, Salazar + Brown + Magness should all have been banned. USADA doesn't look very good here, not just because of their inactivity regarding Magness, but also because their investigation was painfully slow, and both AAA and CAS were quite critical about USADA despite ruling in favor of bans for Salazar and Brown (while reducing USADA's request for lifetime bans to 4-year bans).
Regarding the cost/benefit ratio, I think it's good that USADA didn't stop just once it got more and more expensive because of all the Nike roadblocks and repeated requests for arbitration. Otherwise the system would get even more tilted in favor of those with endless resources (Froome comes to mind...).
Maybe you could summarize that 100 page doc filled with legalese? What are the main accustions vs Salazar? What is the proof of those allegations?
Don't be lazy.
If you care enough to argue in a thread, but don't care enough to um, read something, ask ChatGPT to summarize it for you.
Come on, man. High school students apply more motivation to summarizing their incomplete readings than you apply to something you spend you spare time arguing about.
Maybe you could summarize that 100 page doc filled with legalese? What are the main accustions vs Salazar? What is the proof of those allegations?
Don't be lazy.
If you care enough to argue in a thread, but don't care enough to um, read something, ask ChatGPT to summarize it for you.
Come on, man. High school students apply more motivation to summarizing their incomplete readings than you apply to something you spend you spare time arguing about.
I read Win at All Costs by Matt Hart and The Longest Race by Kara Goucher in quick succession, and find it extremely difficult to defend Salazar as a coach, leader, or mad scientist. His accomplishments as an athlete were undeniable. That said: When given unlimited resources at the Nike Oregon Project, the picture painted in each book is that of a driven but egotistical man who lost sight of professional boundaries, played mind games with some of his athletes, maybe hit the bottle when he shouldn't have, and pushed it too far with his experimentation. If half of what's alleged in those books is true, I hope he sought redemption and cleaned up his act. But he should never be in a position of authority again.
Alberto and NOP changed the standard for American distance running. Others just followed their lead and got pulled along.
USA distance SUCKED prior to them , and the common moral was we are not capable of medaling. NOP raised the expectation and the standard. When NOP did workouts after meets or stated what they did after a meet people were so shocked to hear, it was like a gasp omg . Now it’s common practice, no big deal gotta do a workout after meet it’s expected to hear that.
Who knows maybe if he kept a lower profile he wouldn’t have been targeted. Look at Jerry the arch nemesis , the guy has given like less than five on the record interviews in 15 years and that’s with going through burrito gate!!! Come on Rojo get on these coaches for not making themselves available to the media.
It’s unlikely he’s found anything to replace coaching. From age 14, his obsession and passion was for racing and then coaching, but now, he has been banned from the sport. I doubt he is enjoying his retirement.
Actually he can coach again since 2023, because his doping ban expired in 2023, and his lifetime safesport ban only applies to the U.S. Olympic and Paralympic Movement. Now he is allowed to coach in high school, in the NCAA, and foreign athletes (think Canova and Berardelli). But he does not, it seems.
Canova has admitted on these very boards over a decade ago that he did his own "testing" on so called (to him) untrained athletes. Sub 31 guys and found that EPO usage had no legitimate effect on their performance. It is against the rules as a coach to possess these drugs. So it is also against the rules to conduct testing on anyone...even your own dog. Salazar was attempting to circumvent the rules with grey area doping which is against the spirit of the sport and that phrase is used in the anti doping rules. The guy was not letting Rupp shake hands with other athletes on the start line. What possible reason could one have for that? If they're also using testosterone cream my guy may trip a test, that's why. He was dirty. And I bet he was always dirty. A guy that will look for every edge regardless of morality is highly suspect.
Canova has admitted on these very boards over a decade ago that he did his own "testing" on so called (to him) untrained athletes. Sub 31 guys and found that EPO usage had no legitimate effect on their performance. It is against the rules as a coach to possess these drugs. So it is also against the rules to conduct testing on anyone...even your own dog. Salazar was attempting to circumvent the rules with grey area doping which is against the spirit of the sport and that phrase is used in the anti doping rules. The guy was not letting Rupp shake hands with other athletes on the start line. What possible reason could one have for that? If they're also using testosterone cream my guy may trip a test, that's why. He was dirty. And I bet he was always dirty. A guy that will look for every edge regardless of morality is highly suspect.
This doesn't sound right. I don't believe Canova ever tested any athletes with EPO. Italy used blood doping before it was banned. Canova performed tests on Chinese athletes at altitude.
Regarding the testosterone experiment, as Salazar had a prescription for his testosterone, and his experiments were on non-athletes, I always felt this was a matter for law enforcement and medical boards, rather than USADA.
Anyway, yes, Salazar + Brown + Magness should all have been banned. USADA doesn't look very good here, not just because of their inactivity regarding Magness, but also because their investigation was painfully slow, and both AAA and CAS were quite critical about USADA despite ruling in favor of bans for Salazar and Brown (while reducing USADA's request for lifetime bans to 4-year bans).
Regarding the cost/benefit ratio, I think it's good that USADA didn't stop just once it got more and more expensive because of all the Nike roadblocks and repeated requests for arbitration. Otherwise the system would get even more tilted in favor of those with endless resources (Froome comes to mind...).
I guess I asked two questions: 1) were any clean athletes protected? and 2) at what cost?
We could speculate future athletes would be protected. But if, for example, 100 US athletes were not tested because limited resources were directed to Salazar's investigation and litigation, then I would wonder if there was a net gain.