Yes, the poster had it wrong: you are clearly much less of a doping defender for African than for white dopers. Case in point: here only 1 post in 5 pages (ok, not counting your bots), about the doping of a Kenyan, whereas for doper Houlihan, it's more like 5 posts per page. For that white banned doper, you even protest when someone calls her doper, and here you ignore posters calling Korir a - gasp - drug cheat. Your priorities are obvious.
The race card has devalued to less than the 2 of clubs.
Nice that people can call a spade a spade, of late, nowadays.
Like too much Disco, the saturation of wokeness, the high water mark was hit.
As demonstrated here there and everywhere.
Where politics, racism, religion, gender, are returning to historical norms, which is to say, they have very little to do with running, athletics, and the science there of.
Let's be logical. Kipchoge couldn't be clean in his world beating days. He looked fresh as a daisy running a sub 2 marathon, then immediately blabbered about clean sport in the victory interview. Only the naive believe otherwise. Sure, he's a nice guy. He's a good person. I dont think doping and lying about it should abandon those facts. It's obviously easy to criticize the thing you didnt or supposedly wouldnt do. He did wrong, but as they say, "let he who is without sin cast the last stone."
Yes, the poster had it wrong: you are clearly much less of a doping defender for African than for white dopers. Case in point: here only 1 post in 5 pages (ok, not counting your bots), about the doping of a Kenyan, whereas for doper Houlihan, it's more like 5 posts per page. For that white banned doper, you even protest when someone calls her doper, and here you ignore posters calling Korir a - gasp - drug cheat. Your priorities are obvious.
When it comes to me, many posters have it wrong. You are just as wrong to suggest I am a doping defender for any athlete, but that is a popular misunderstanding, if not smear tactic.
My priority is to evaluate the known details on a case by case basis, considering all the relevant facts and evidence to see how well, if at all, they support the allegations or conclusions.
In the case of Korir, I'm unaware that CERA could be considered endogenous by WADA in some cases. Furthermore, as he tested positive 3 separate times for CERA, one month before a marathon, competing with the known benefit provided by CERA (extra red blood cells), it seems somewhat defendable to call him a drug cheat, or at least an attempted drug cheat, even if it is a somewhat emotional retelling of what the AIU found.
Furthermore Korir accepted the charge without contest, so there is no detailed information about the test results, and possible defense, available for me to evaluate. Recall with Houlihan, we had to wait a few months for the detailed report, before we could see the ambiguities and the bait and switch and conflicting testimony and contradictions. Perhaps after a couple of months of research and investigation, I might also find some technical issue with the detection of CERA, similar to the difficulty of WADA Labs to get EPO detection in urine right (see the cases of Colvert, Karus, and Sommer for example).
Contrast this with the case of Houlihan, where WADA's own research and guidance tells us that low levels of nandrolone with a CIR in the endogenous range can be considered either endogenous or exogenous. This adds an extra layer of complexity and ambiguity, which calls into question the validity of the science as it was applied, the validity of the AAF, the subsequent validity of the ADRV, and whether it is appropriate to ask if the athlete's conduct was unintentional.
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This twiggy POS is no different from an stock trader profiting from inside knowledge, or winning a huge bet based on a fixed outcome. This skeleton obtained his winnings ILLEGALLY and should be sued to reimburse all of his winnings plus interest.
Just like actual women should not compete/support events that trans athletes participate in, clean athletes should not compete against Kenyan/Ethiopian athletes.
When it comes to me, many posters have it wrong. You are just as wrong to suggest I am a doping defender for any athlete, but that is a popular misunderstanding, if not smear tactic.
My priority is to evaluate the known details on a case by case basis, considering all the relevant facts and evidence to see how well, if at all, they support the allegations or conclusions.
In the case of Korir, I'm unaware that CERA could be considered endogenous by WADA in some cases. Furthermore, as he tested positive 3 separate times for CERA, one month before a marathon, competing with the known benefit provided by CERA (extra red blood cells), it seems somewhat defendable to call him a drug cheat, or at least an attempted drug cheat, even if it is a somewhat emotional retelling of what the AIU found.
Furthermore Korir accepted the charge without contest, so there is no detailed information about the test results, and possible defense, available for me to evaluate. Recall with Houlihan, we had to wait a few months for the detailed report, before we could see the ambiguities and the bait and switch and conflicting testimony and contradictions. Perhaps after a couple of months of research and investigation, I might also find some technical issue with the detection of CERA, similar to the difficulty of WADA Labs to get EPO detection in urine right (see the cases of Colvert, Karus, and Sommer for example).
Contrast this with the case of Houlihan, where WADA's own research and guidance tells us that low levels of nandrolone with a CIR in the endogenous range can be considered either endogenous or exogenous. This adds an extra layer of complexity and ambiguity, which calls into question the validity of the science as it was applied, the validity of the AAF, the subsequent validity of the ADRV, and whether it is appropriate to ask if the athlete's conduct was unintentional.
So let me get this straight:
This athlete tests positive 3 times and then accepts all charges and you're still at the 'I need to see more evidence before I label him a drug cheat' stage.
People think you're a doping/doper defender because there has never been a drug cheat where you've said 'Fine, this guy's a cheat'. You always have an excuse, even when the athlete admits to doing it.
When it comes to me, many posters have it wrong. You are just as wrong to suggest I am a doping defender for any athlete, but that is a popular misunderstanding, if not smear tactic.
My priority is to evaluate the known details on a case by case basis, considering all the relevant facts and evidence to see how well, if at all, they support the allegations or conclusions.
In the case of Korir, I'm unaware that CERA could be considered endogenous by WADA in some cases. Furthermore, as he tested positive 3 separate times for CERA, one month before a marathon, competing with the known benefit provided by CERA (extra red blood cells), it seems somewhat defendable to call him a drug cheat, or at least an attempted drug cheat, even if it is a somewhat emotional retelling of what the AIU found.
Furthermore Korir accepted the charge without contest, so there is no detailed information about the test results, and possible defense, available for me to evaluate. Recall with Houlihan, we had to wait a few months for the detailed report, before we could see the ambiguities and the bait and switch and conflicting testimony and contradictions. Perhaps after a couple of months of research and investigation, I might also find some technical issue with the detection of CERA, similar to the difficulty of WADA Labs to get EPO detection in urine right (see the cases of Colvert, Karus, and Sommer for example).
Contrast this with the case of Houlihan, where WADA's own research and guidance tells us that low levels of nandrolone with a CIR in the endogenous range can be considered either endogenous or exogenous. This adds an extra layer of complexity and ambiguity, which calls into question the validity of the science as it was applied, the validity of the AAF, the subsequent validity of the ADRV, and whether it is appropriate to ask if the athlete's conduct was unintentional.
So let me get this straight:
This athlete tests positive 3 times and then accepts all charges and you're still at the 'I need to see more evidence before I label him a drug cheat' stage.
People think you're a doping/doper defender because there has never been a drug cheat where you've said 'Fine, this guy's a cheat'. You always have an excuse, even when the athlete admits to doing it.
LOL people think? They know he's a doping and doper defender. Just now he baselessly claimed out of nowhere in this Korir thread, without any evidence whatsoever, that drug cheat Houlihan's CAS report contained "the ambiguities and the bait and switch and conflicting testimony and contradiction"...
Gault or whoever is going to go to the Boston presser, you should compile a list of each athlete's coach & agent and ask some questions about the athletes with shady representation. At this point, I would think asking race directors why they continue to work with agents or coaches that have a checkered past is fair game.
This athlete tests positive 3 times and then accepts all charges and you're still at the 'I need to see more evidence before I label him a drug cheat' stage.
People think you're a doping/doper defender because there has never been a drug cheat where you've said 'Fine, this guy's a cheat'. You always have an excuse, even when the athlete admits to doing it.
If you want to get it straight, then you should think exactly the opposite. Given the circumstances of three positives for CERA one month before a race, I said it was "defendable" to call him one. I don't need to see any more evidence.
LOL people think? They know he's a doping and doper defender. Just now he baselessly claimed out of nowhere in this Korir thread, without any evidence whatsoever, that drug cheat Houlihan's CAS report contained "the ambiguities and the bait and switch and conflicting testimony and contradiction"...
People throw around this word "know" too loosely. No one can know something that is false. It's more correct to say they (falsely) believe it. If someone is proved a doper, I will not defend his/her doping.
The bases for my claims are well documented in many other threads. No need to explain why you are wrong in this thread.
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Does this mean Linkletter is bumped up to first in Ottawa? Hope so. And by the by, if it says 'Rekrunner' on the left, don't even bother reading the post.
Does this mean Linkletter is bumped up to first in Ottawa? Hope so. And by the by, if it says 'Rekrunner' on the left, don't even bother reading the post.
I prefer people block me than responding with lies.
I always read posts by "kjwfkjbfrf".
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Does this mean Linkletter is bumped up to first in Ottawa? Hope so. And by the by, if it says 'Rekrunner' on the left, don't even bother reading the post.
Sadly, no, drug cheats don't get retro-active bans. His positive tests started in October 2025, therefore Albert Korir will keep both his Ottawa wins, and all his NYC placements except for the 2025 one.
Albert Korir of Kenya, the 2021 New York Marathon winner, was banned five years after he admitted doping, track and field investigators said Monday. Last May, Korir won the Ottawa Marathon, with Calgary-born Rory Linkletter s...
The Calgary-born runner, who wanted his first-ever victory in the distance to occur on home soil, finished second on Sunday morning in two hours eight minutes 31 seconds. Linkletter charged late in the 42.2-kilometre event and could see the back of leader Albert Korir over the final metres before reaching the finish nine seconds behind the Kenyan, who broke the tape in 2:08:22 and also won the 2019 Ottawa race. Speaking to CBC Sports, Linkletter talked about finding a groove late in the race and wondered if he could have run more aggressively early on. "We will never know," said Linkletter, who will take $15,000 in prize money home to Flagstaff, Ariz., where he lives with wife Jill and their son and daughter. "One of my best days, for sure. I felt Albert was beatable but he earned the victory."
What is a complete list of World major marathons/years won by convicted dopers in the 2000s? I expect it would be quite lengthy.
This is a list of dopers who won World Marathon Majors, but not in all cases (like Wilson Kipsang) did they get caught at this particular race. I expect that I have missed many names or performances. Who else has been caught?
It might be helpful if WA posted a list of agents and which athletes of theirs have tested positive. It's very hard to track because as soon as there is a positive test, the agent removes their name from the athletes' profile page.
Case in point with Albert, Volare was his agent. I'm personally aware of two other Volare athletes that were banned; likely there are several more but we will likely never know.
Not casting blame on Volare or agents per se, but there could be a trend that is apparent if there were more open disclosure as to who is in the banned athlete's core group...agent, coach, physical therapist, doctor...
