Even in a very good economy (like the one we are currently in), there will be winners and losers. That’s just how it is. Fortunately, like most Americans, I am in the large group for whom the direction of the economy benefits me. I’m sorry for those who can’t succeed in this economy.
Wow. Another book from someone who achieved a tiny amount of success. When she first came up, I pegged her as someone level headed with a good disposition. I completely misjudged her. It's over. You're not the only young phenom to have went to the top to fall off. Go become a doctor. The end.
I'll give Mary Cain the benefit of the doubt on this one. Girls are nasty to each other and I've seen it on the high school and college levels. Throw in Bronxville being a fairly wealthy area adds in snobbish parents and their kids being brats.
That's what I was thinking. I wouldn't be surprised if it was less severe than she will claim in her book but I'd not be shocked if it was bad.
She wasn't bullied because of her success, she was called out for being a terrible teammate when her success went to her head and she stopped treating her peers with respect. The yearslong smear campaign she's waged against the team and the beloved coach (who no one else had issues with) is disproportionate to the issues she's had with girls on the team. And rich of her to accuse parents of bullying when her parents had instances of showing up to practice and screaming at the coach in front of the team for not giving their daughter special treatment. It's time to move on Mary and stop profiting off of a false narrative.
I talked to another member of the press about this thread today. He wasn’t having any of the criticism of the Bronxville coach whom he said was a legend and great guy.
In some ways, there can be two truths. I was just stunned that the book reviewer accepted everything as fact. They should have said, “Cain claims she was bullied….” And probably also asked the coach for comment.
My gosh these posts are something else. Do we know if the coach was contacted? It seems Mary has moved on and is crushing it. Obviously her parents did a lot more right than they did wrong. I have no doubt she was bullied as girls are an extremely jealous bunch. And parents have blinders when it comes to their own kids. The jealously doesn't stop in adulthood. It's why women don't want to be managed by other women at work and why defense attorneys want to stack juries with women in sex assault cases where the victim is a woman and suspect is a man as he has a better chance of prevailing.
Male coaches can be 'legends' and have great records but my experience is they underestimate the impact toxic behaviors between females can have on a team. Men can fight and then be friends whereas women hold grudges forever.
The whole constant victim banter is getting old. I find it toxic for her to call out her HS teammates and coach. The people that made her who she is and then trash them. I actually knew runners that she trained with after HS and they all said she was odd and didn’t fit in. Between her and her parents I find the entitlement pretentious boring. Maybe after some therapy she can move on.
Want to clarify that I have no personal experience with Mary. Only with Bronxville.
This negative assessment of her is only based on my entirely different experience with Bronxville and the interpretation that she tends to be over dramatic, not nice, and victimize herself.
Maybe that interpretation is based on false or exaggerated information on others’ part, though I’m doubtful.
Mainly I do not want to seem like I’m saying for sure that she is a bad person when I do not have the interaction with her to do so. I nevertheless admire her for her success.
And anyone who doesn't believe parents can be awful to kids should watch ESPNs 30 for 30 Little Big Men on how star pitcher Cody Webster was treated after his team won the Little League World Series in '82. Some of his teammates as adult men were still getting choked up thinking about it.
Beyond what several people have posted here about Bronxville’s crazy wealth, it is one of whitest towns in Westchester. For decades, real estate agents have steered non-WASP families elsewhere and many, many families from Bronxville remain in Bronxville and their kids go to the school. The level of segregation in the county is insane. There is a unique brand of nastiness in environments like this one—-mostly WASPy, private-college-educated, Lululemon clad moms who mostly all blonde, thin, tall, and married to finance guys. Add the mean moms syndrome to the mix and no need to work, and it equals vitriolic behavior amplified and fueled by the oodles of time on their hands.
Translation: I’m not at all surprised that Mary Cain described her high school experience like this.
Wow. Another book from someone who achieved a tiny amount of success. When she first came up, I pegged her as someone level headed with a good disposition. I completely misjudged her. It's over. You're not the only young phenom to have went to the top to fall off. Go become a doctor. The end.
it’s easy to use your name to write a book to spew your venom and point fingers like the “victim” she thinks she is. It’s ugly though. Not something I would be proud of as an author to pass on to my children. Apparently she thinks she is more important than she ever really was and inspired by her parents who thought she walked on water. Kind of sad really. “I was the fastest high school runner”. That’s where the story ends.
Beyond what several people have posted here about Bronxville’s crazy wealth, it is one of whitest towns in Westchester. For decades, real estate agents have steered non-WASP families elsewhere and many, many families from Bronxville remain in Bronxville and their kids go to the school. The level of segregation in the county is insane. There is a unique brand of nastiness in environments like this one—-mostly WASPy, private-college-educated, Lululemon clad moms who mostly all blonde, thin, tall, and married to finance guys. Add the mean moms syndrome to the mix and no need to work, and it equals vitriolic behavior amplified and fueled by the oodles of time on their hands.
Translation: I’m not at all surprised that Mary Cain described her high school experience like this.
WASP? Bronxville has long had plenty of Catholics, think Joe Kennedy, and has a Jewish synagogue.
Yes Westchester has zoning issues, but it's more about economics than religion.
Basically the larger city like towns are integrated: Yonkers, New Rochelle, Mt Vernon, White Plains and Port Chester. The smaller villages not so much, as there is no real downtown areas, and housing is very expensive there.
Long Island, and North Jersey similar, still minoroties with money have little trouble securing housing in these areas.
Mary Cain. I would be quite shocked if Mary was ostracized from Bronxville team. They have a long tradition of being competitive in their small school Division in xc and track. As a freshman and soph she was a key part of their xc/track/relays. Coach and teammates know how important she was, and having attended many of her meets, while supporting a different high school, the Bronxville team certainly appeared happy.
rojo wrote: I was just stunned that the book reviewer accepted everything as fact. They should have said, “Cain claims she was bullied….”
Exactly. When I read the original post in this thread, I figured that the poster had quoted a passage of the review out of context, without the usual and appropriate caveats that would be found in any competent and unbiased review. But, as I mentioned in an earlier post, the reviewer simply accepted Cain’s allegations as true.
Beyond what several people have posted here about Bronxville’s crazy wealth, it is one of whitest towns in Westchester. For decades, real estate agents have steered non-WASP families elsewhere and many, many families from Bronxville remain in Bronxville and their kids go to the school. The level of segregation in the county is insane. There is a unique brand of nastiness in environments like this one—-mostly WASPy, private-college-educated, Lululemon clad moms who mostly all blonde, thin, tall, and married to finance guys. Add the mean moms syndrome to the mix and no need to work, and it equals vitriolic behavior amplified and fueled by the oodles of time on their hands.
Unfortunately it's not clear if you're using this to explain the behavior of Cain's teammates, or Cain and her own family. Who's to say that it wasn't the Cains who followed this Bronxville stereotype of nastiness and vitriol?
An observation from coaching high school track 30 plus years: kids on a team universally dislike the teammate with helicopter parents who constantly meddle to get their child special treatment. If you want your child to be disliked get him or her excused from the rules that apply to everyone else and get special treatment no one else gets. From what I have heard the Cains were the skikorsys of helicopter parents.
An observation from coaching high school track 30 plus years: kids on a team universally dislike the teammate with helicopter parents who constantly meddle to get their child special treatment. If you want your child to be disliked get him or her excused from the rules that apply to everyone else and get special treatment no one else gets. From what I have heard the Cains were the skikorsys of helicopter parents.
When Mary Cain sued Salazar, et al, her parents should have been included as defendants. They sent their kid 3000 miles away with no peer group (as a college student would have) in place. Their kid appears to be socially awkward in the first place and was supposedly being bullied (in her mind) in HS. Why would you send your kid that far away under these circumstances.
Mary should write a book about her parents being too worried about their own legacy through their child and neglectful in advising her properly.
Beyond what several people have posted here about Bronxville’s crazy wealth, it is one of whitest towns in Westchester. For decades, real estate agents have steered non-WASP families elsewhere and many, many families from Bronxville remain in Bronxville and their kids go to the school. The level of segregation in the county is insane. There is a unique brand of nastiness in environments like this one—-mostly WASPy, private-college-educated, Lululemon clad moms who mostly all blonde, thin, tall, and married to finance guys. Add the mean moms syndrome to the mix and no need to work, and it equals vitriolic behavior amplified and fueled by the oodles of time on their hands.
Translation: I’m not at all surprised that Mary Cain described her high school experience like this.
Tell me you’re not from Westchester without telling me you’re not from Westchester
An observation from coaching high school track 30 plus years: kids on a team universally dislike the teammate with helicopter parents who constantly meddle to get their child special treatment. If you want your child to be disliked get him or her excused from the rules that apply to everyone else and get special treatment no one else gets. From what I have heard the Cains were the skikorsys of helicopter parents.
So what did you do to help those kids in that situation? Most of these posts aren't even disputing the awful behavior but rather just trying to justify it...
Mary Cain is now studying at Stanford Medical School as an M2 and expecting to graduate in 2029 according to the profile linked below. Did she for some time "forego a serious college education?"
Yes, she did. Are you not familiar with her college education? And do you not understand that she did so solely for the purpose of focusing on her athletic career and living near her coach Alberto Salazar?
According to her current Wikipedia article, Cain "attended the honors program at the University of Portland in Portland, Oregon while competing as a professional athlete for Nike, Inc."
Perhaps you can explain why you believe that to be false or how attending "the honors program at the University of Portland" can be reconciled with "forego[ing] a serious college education." Her admission to Stanford Medical School more than suggests that its admissions committee disagreed with you.
Mary Cecilia Cain (born May 3, 1996) is an American-born Irish professional middle distance runner from Bronxville, New York. Cain was the 2014 World Junior Champion in the 3000 meter event. She is the youngest female athlete...