Just a LetsRun public service reminder that there has been no anti-doping testing in Kenya since July, and that there have been nearly 400 Kenyans suspended since the ABP in 2015.
In other words, if you think this was clean.....
Absolutely no one with an ounce of credibility thinks this was clean.
Which shows how top athletes can flagrantly disregard antidoping. Only the "amateurs" are being caught.
You seriously think PEDs make more than a 7% improvement in times? You are delusional if you believe that. So, you think a clean 4:17 miler and just take some EPO and run 4:00 without any true improvement in physical condition?
I think we are getting a compelling demonstration of the performance enhancing capabilities of drugs today. For those who insist she is clean it can be presumed she would be running the low 13's-13:20's - like Viren - if she were doped.
exactly
and Viren was doping himself to get those times.
i don't pay any attention to womens records.
as the best woman comes closest to a male in physiology.
however, there is such a thing as an Amazon woman, from nature.
I do. By being honest about the sport and calling out doping when it happens. Much better than the "see nothing, hear nothing, say nothing" crowd on here that willingly goes along with a farce.
This week, the World Anti-Doping Agency’s Africa Office Director, Rodney Swigelaar, met with the Government of Kenya Cabinet Secretary for Youth Affairs, Creative Economy and Sports, the Hon. Onesimus Kipchumba Murkomen, in N...
Just a LetsRun public service reminder that there has been no anti-doping testing in Kenya since July, and that there have been nearly 400 Kenyans suspended since the ABP in 2015.
In other words, if you think this was clean.....
I'm not presuming to know if she's clean or dirty like you do for all dark-skinned people.
But as a multiple world record holder I would imagine she is tested frequently.
This week, the World Anti-Doping Agency’s Africa Office Director, Rodney Swigelaar, met with the Government of Kenya Cabinet Secretary for Youth Affairs, Creative Economy and Sports, the Hon. Onesimus Kipchumba Murkomen, in N...
This is in bad faith. Kenyans doped with impunity from the 1990s through the early 2010s. Since then there have been 400 Kenyan doping bans. There were very few positive in-competition tests prior to that. In-country blood testing is necessary to catch most dopers. If Kenya is not doing it, who is? Chebet is the most obvious doper out there from a country that if not for the lack of a systemic doping system would have been banned a decade ago, because its doping is nearly as widespread as Russia's. The fact that Kenyans are still tested among the most of any country has to do with the fact that they have so many international distance runners. How can you be so blind to what is happening here? 400!!!
First sub-14 for women! She should have won the Overall World Athletics Athlete of the Year award over Sifan Hassan.
No way she’s clean
Umm do you know how much time separates the men's and women's world records in the 100 meters? About a second. So what makes you think a woman cannot get within 1 minute of the fastest man over 5K? They're human as well and no man knows what the limit of human potential is.
This is in bad faith. Kenyans doped with impunity from the 1990s through the early 2010s. Since then there have been 400 Kenyan doping bans. There were very few positive in-competition tests prior to that. In-country blood testing is necessary to catch most dopers. If Kenya is not doing it, who is? Chebet is the most obvious doper out there from a country that if not for the lack of a systemic doping system would have been banned a decade ago, because its doping is nearly as widespread as Russia's. The fact that Kenyans are still tested among the most of any country has to do with the fact that they have so many international distance runners. How can you be so blind to what is happening here? 400!!!
So you say. There were plenty of drug busts in that span from athletes from all over (including Kenya). The out-of-competition testing apparatus has improved a lot, but many of your 400 busts numbers are in-competition and often from middling athletes being tested for a first time. You realize the stats around Kenyan testing are based on per athletes competing on international teams, not total tests. This has to do with Kenyans being (rightfully) targeted in road/international races and the investment in domestic testing and OOC testing. Chebet has likely been tested 8-12 times in 2024. That isn’t to say she isn’t doping, but it is to say if she is, she’s doing so in a way that beats frequent testing. If we had access to her ABP/missed tests history we could have a little more clarity. But the implication that Chebet hasn’t been tested isn’t backed by the facts. That doesn’t have bearing on if she is doping in a way that beats the test.
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1. Road times getting faster than track times - super shoes effect may be greater on the road.
2. Women improving faster than men - this is a social levelling-up. While there will always be a gap in performance, it seems that it will get smaller as women are allowed more time to train as men do.
I think your first point is very likely to be the case, given that tracks are designed to be run on and thus have intrinsically more efficient energy return than asphalt roads.
I think your first point is very likely to be the case, given that tracks are designed to be run on and thus have intrinsically more efficient energy return than asphalt roads.
Women also get race-long pacing from men potentially in a road race. Chebet ran 14:09 on the track this year, but I think she was solo the last 3,000 meters. She didn’t have male pacers in this one but was keying off sub-elite men throughout once the rabbits dropped.
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Every time a black African runs fast a white American says they're cheating.
When the dirty records are being broken, it makes you wonder. The shoes definitely have an impact, but the Women’s distance AR’s aren’t moving much.
I’m not saying Chebet is definitely dirty, but I’m a little suspect. If an American woman ran sub-14 I’d be just as suspect if not more than an East African.
At the end of the day, I don’t care dirty or not, I’m impressed. 13:54 and 2:09 this year is crazy. Throw Sydney’s WR in there as well. Crazy year and I’m enjoying it.
An American woman [non East African born] CANNOT runa sub 14 5k, sub 29 10k and a sub 2;10 marathon.
Just a LetsRun public service reminder that there has been no anti-doping testing in Kenya since July, and that there have been nearly 400 Kenyans suspended since the ABP in 2015.
In other words, if you think this was clean.....
Absolutely no one with an ounce of credibility thinks this was clean.
I do!
which leads to the question, do I have credibility?
That is neither here nor there. It doesn't matter.
That's really a shame to see these countries "minion" of GB in Africa adopting the names of the colons, Beatrix, Kelvin etc ... knowing that half of English language is borrowed from Arabic.
I have no connection to rekrunner. Shouldn’t you have the burden of proof to say no testing is going on when Kenya triples the athletics testing in most other nations, and all indications are not as you presume, but rather that non-athletics testing is halted? You have provided no proof except taking a few articles from months ago and projecting fantastical scenarios with little evidence. You really seem to believe that Coe and the AIU would condone no testing? They only didn’t ban Kenya because of the Athletics-only funding that in that article and several others is referenced as intact. Where’s that funding now in your imagination?
Note he said "rekbot", and not "rekrunner". I am not "rekbot", and never was.
Umm do you know how much time separates the men's and women's world records in the 100 meters? About a second. So what makes you think a woman cannot get within 1 minute of the fastest man over 5K? They're human as well and no man knows what the limit of human potential is.
