1. Jakob hasn’t attempted to run a WR (or even a PR) in the 5K. All of his fast Diamond League efforts have been at shorter distances where he has performed ably.
2. Jakob is undefeated over the past five years in the 5000m with nine victories (excluding heats). His last loss in a 5000m was Doha 2019. In his nine victories, he hasn’t needed to run faster than 12:48 to win.
Until he is beaten in a 5000m, we should assume that 12:48 does not represent his true potential.
It doesn't matter whether you think 12:48 isn't his "true potential" - so far he hasn't run faster - and it in no way suggests he will beat 12:35. Winning tactical races doesn't translate to breaking a world record exponentially faster than anything he has run in over 3 years.
Only to you his 3000m and 2 mile records are tactical races and/or don't suggest he will beat 12:35
It hasn't stopped him going for non-championship records (and the 1500 and mile). Maybe he knows some of the championship records are out of reach.
There I deleted the rest of my post so that you can read it.
It is a BS reason. As his 800 time shows, he never was fast. He is a 1500/5k runner who isn't fast enough yet to break the records at ANY championship distance. The 5k record remains out of reach.
There I deleted the rest of my post so that you can read it.
It is a BS reason. As his 800 time shows, he never was fast. He is a 1500/5k runner who isn't fast enough yet to break the records at ANY championship distance. The 5k record remains out of reach.
It doesn't matter whether you think 12:48 isn't his "true potential" - so far he hasn't run faster - and it in no way suggests he will beat 12:35. Winning tactical races doesn't translate to breaking a world record exponentially faster than anything he has run in over 3 years.
Only to you his 3000m and 2 mile records are tactical races and/or don't suggest he will beat 12:35
The 5k wins have come in tactical races. I didn't say that about his 2k-2 mile records, dimbo, but that those distances are his sweet spot.
There I deleted the rest of my post so that you can read it.
It is a BS reason. As his 800 time shows, he never was fast. He is a 1500/5k runner who isn't fast enough yet to break the records at ANY championship distance. The 5k record remains out of reach.
Daniel Komen ran 12:39 before supershoes and wavelights. And Jakob beat his 3000m record by 3 seconds. But you think that him running 4 seconds faster than Komen is out of reach. We will see.
I’d say he’s doing pretty effing good lmao. He has 3 of the 10, and those three were NOT even remotely close. He’s just turned 24 and he has 3 — also need to consider this goal of his has official been in the playbooks only now for two full seasons, so he’s in good position. He loves the 1500. It’s his baby. He says he needs to go for the quicker records first as he won’t always have the top end speed, and they are the toughest. Not sure why you can’t just agree with that. Also not sure why you keep bringing up the 800? Not in the conversation here. He doesn’t run it. He never talks about it. But yeah, after 3 shattered world ‘unbreakable’ world records and a handful of European records and 4 global golds, it makes sense to say he can’t break 12:48. Im going to copy and paste this again so you can read through it once more.
I’d say he’s doing pretty effing good lmao. He has 3 of the 10, and those three were NOT even remotely close. He’s just turned 24 and he has 3 — also need to consider this goal of his has official been in the playbooks only now for two full seasons, so he’s in good position. He loves the 1500. It’s his baby. He says he needs to go for the quicker records first as he won’t always have the top end speed, and they are the toughest. Not sure why you can’t just agree with that. Also not sure why you keep bringing up the 800? Not in the conversation here. He doesn’t run it. He never talks about it. But yeah, after 3 shattered world ‘unbreakable’ world records and a handful of European records and 4 global golds, it makes sense to say he can’t break 12:48.
The argument isnt whether or not he can break 12:48 (which is, so what) but whether he can beat 12:35. You arent up with the play. I merely referred to the 800 because of the argument used here that he hasn't broken the 5k record because he "hasn't tried". Garbage. He hasn't tried to break the 800 record either. That he "hasn't tried" - in 3 years - says nothing about whether he will break the 5k record.
The argument isnt whether or not he can break 12:48 (which is, so what) but whether he can beat 12:35. You arent up with the play. I merely referred to the 800 because of the argument used here that he hasn't broken the 5k record because he "hasn't tried". Garbage. He hasn't tried to break the 800 record either. That he "hasn't tried" - in 3 years - says nothing about whether he will break the 5k record.
You are, once again, ignoring this:
"Have you tried looking at his season? At the number of times he raced? At the records he attempted? Have you maybe thought that in between all that he had to train? Do you realize there are no endless opportunities in the middle of all that to be in peak shape?"
Why? Because you have no answers.
You are also ignoring Salvitore's post. A former NZ pro.
For the "umpteenth time", why does he go for records at every shorter distance but not the 5k?
You know exactly why and are just trying to be contrarian because you love to troll. He is going after the shorter distances when he is younger and then the longer distances later when his speed starts to diminish. It makes perfect sense and he has said as much in several interviews.
No, he hasn't. It isn't some kind of golden rule that he's going to lose speed in his mid to late twenties. He is likely to peak at that age. We aren't talking about his late thirties.
You know exactly why and are just trying to be contrarian because you love to troll. He is going after the shorter distances when he is younger and then the longer distances later when his speed starts to diminish. It makes perfect sense and he has said as much in several interviews.
No, he hasn't. It isn't some kind of golden rule that he's going to lose speed in his mid to late twenties. He is likely to peak at that age. We aren't talking about his late thirties.
You haven't mustered any better argument for why he hasn't run faster in 3 years over 5k. He "hasn't tried". Sure.
You’re still on this soapbox??? It’s simple.
1. Jakob hasn’t attempted to run a WR (or even a PR) in the 5K. All of his fast Diamond League efforts have been at shorter distances where he has performed ably.
2. Jakob is undefeated over the past five years in the 5000m with nine victories (excluding heats). His last loss in a 5000m was Doha 2019. In his nine victories, he hasn’t needed to run faster than 12:48 to win.
Until he is beaten in a 5000m, we should assume that 12:48 does not represent his true potential.
That isn't the point. I haven't argued he can't go faster than 12:48 - although he hasn't done so in 3 years. But what it shows is that he is a long way off 12:35. There is nothing that so far suggests he will get that record.
1. Jakob hasn’t attempted to run a WR (or even a PR) in the 5K. All of his fast Diamond League efforts have been at shorter distances where he has performed ably.
2. Jakob is undefeated over the past five years in the 5000m with nine victories (excluding heats). His last loss in a 5000m was Doha 2019. In his nine victories, he hasn’t needed to run faster than 12:48 to win.
Until he is beaten in a 5000m, we should assume that 12:48 does not represent his true potential.
That isn't the point. I haven't argued he can't go faster than 12:48 - although he hasn't done so in 3 years. But what it shows is that he is a long way off 12:35. There is nothing that so far suggests he will get that record.
"When you look at the 3000m WR where he goes a full 2 seconds per lap faster than this it would seem pretty attainable but, and there is always a but, it is another 2000m of running which is a lot. I really wouldn't know how to factor that in until I actually see him take on a 5000m and really try and run a time - which I still maintain he's going to need to do and fail before he would really have the experience to go after the record in earnest."
A good breakdown. He has yet to show he is capable of doing this over the 5k.
It is a BS reason. As his 800 time shows, he never was fast. He is a 1500/5k runner who isn't fast enough yet to break the records at ANY championship distance. The 5k record remains out of reach.
Daniel Komen ran 12:39 before supershoes and wavelights. And Jakob beat his 3000m record by 3 seconds. But you think that him running 4 seconds faster than Komen is out of reach. We will see.
What Komen did is irrelevant. They are two different athletes.
"When you look at the 3000m WR where he goes a full 2 seconds per lap faster than this it would seem pretty attainable but, and there is always a but, it is another 2000m of running which is a lot. I really wouldn't know how to factor that in until I actually see him take on a 5000m and really try and run a time - which I still maintain he's going to need to do and fail before he would really have the experience to go after the record in earnest."
You read what you want to read, as usual. I highlighted another important bit.
Daniel Komen ran 12:39 before supershoes and wavelights. And Jakob beat his 3000m record by 3 seconds. But you think that him running 4 seconds faster than Komen is out of reach. We will see.
What Komen did is irrelevant. They are two different athletes.
Wrong. What Komen did is very relevant. Like Jakob, Komen was a pure 1500-5000 runner.
No, he hasn't. It isn't some kind of golden rule that he's going to lose speed in his mid to late twenties. He is likely to peak at that age. We aren't talking about his late thirties.
You show lack of knowledge with that post.
I know something about biological aging and medical experts determine the peak for strength and speed is typically the late twenties. He is several years away from that.
I know something about biological aging and medical experts determine the peak for strength and speed is typically the late twenties. He is several years away from that.
Precisely. So he is going for the shorter distances now.