I am no Carlson fan but the NL rumors about Tennessee’s track and cross-country program are not true. The program is not funded through NIL. This is not an opinion this is a fact. Just saying
Which guys are 30? Bernard Cheruiyot is 22. Do people really see that World athletics profile for a totally different guy born in 1992 that has no results since 2017 and think that guy is now in the NCAA?
I can't believe people keep making this point thinking its an argument ender. Money is FUNGIBLE, this is ECON 101. It does not matter if the exact serial numbered bills that are used to pay for these foreign athletes scholarships were the exact same bills taken from the taxpayers. A dollar is a dollar is a dollar.
The state (and to an extent all federal) taxpayers heavily subsidize state universities and therfore directly or indirectly pay for all of the schools expenditures. This is why we have the concept of in-state/out of state tuition because there is an understanding that the taxpayers deserve something in return for their payment over almost 2 decades in a state. There is no reason this same logic can't be extended to say at least some portion of athletic scholarships should go to taxpayers (at the very least Federal taxpayers ie American high schoolers/their parents).
I asked a question, not a statement. Are you unable to comprehend the difference?
I am genuinely curious about the answer. Yes money is fungible, but an athletics department that is 100% self-funded (from ticket revenue, merchandise, donations, etc.) can make the argument that they should have more control over how to spend their budget. Rationale people can counter that state taxpayer money largely built the training facilities, stadiums and infrastructure that make it all possible.
If you fall into the latter group, you would have to question why the school recruits any athlete from out of state (let alone from abroad) since these scholarship students are not paying the higher tuition rate.
The point about fungiblity applies regardless of whether the athletic department is "self-sufficient" (which as you stated is hard to define because there are so many moving pieces such as infrastructure, 100s of staff, tutors, chefs, ect. in most D1 departments).
There might be some (emphasis on some) programs who can pay for direct athletics costs such as scholarships, travel, gear, and maybe even salaries with their revenue, but even then they are reliant on the University as a whole for everything else. Furthermore, if the university did not have the taxpayer money, these funds would need to be used for non-athletic purposes anyway. You can have a University without sports but can't have a University without academics.
That is my point about fungiblity. The taxpayer money "frees up" the athletic money to be spent back on athletics, whether it's the same money being spent or not. Refer to the common analogy of having 20 dollars in your left pocket and someone hands you another 20 which you put in your right pocket. It doesn't matter which bill you use spend still spent "their" 20 dollars. There is no your 20 dollars or their 20 dollars you simply now have 40 dollars of which half was given to you by them.
Except you love these guys when they represent us in the Olympics. I guess those two years off are beneficial only to their pro careers, but detrimental to their NCAA careers.
Why so many butt hurt dudes on here?
Who says we love it? I hate seeing people who aren't American represent the US. They are recruits who aren't American in any way, shape, or form. Where's the pride in that? I'd rather we do poorly with our own people. Same goes for Americans whose success is tied to our athletic programs, facilities, resources, etc. but go abroad to proudly represent foreign countries. They can wear a different uniform and stand under a different flag, but they're still American.
Which guys are 30? Bernard Cheruiyot is 22. Do people really see that World athletics profile for a totally different guy born in 1992 that has no results since 2017 and think that guy is now in the NCAA?
Uhhh... I do believe there is a healthy population of international students attending American universities without prejudice. This is simply a case of developing American athletes in their home country which should be a priority if in fact we want to compete on the world stage (Olympics, World Champs, etc...). Nothing wrong with a bit of nationalism, the ENTIRE world does it. I'm all for helping less fortunate athletes from foreign countries, but only to an extent, and not compromise the development of our homegrown talent. We need to take care of our own backyard before extending out to take care of someone else's deficiencies. A 70/30 split allows both American and foreign athletes to benefit. If not enough Americans choose to participate, then fill the spot with an international athlete. Coach wise, there's nothing wrong with inheriting or recruiting international athletes of which may be older and or more experienced, but to build your program with mostly foreigners isn't appropriate.
Look at Univ. of New Mexico's men's roster. What a FREAKIN' joke! Coach Gauson is a tool and should be ashamed! UNM's AD should also be ashamed for allowing this to happen. There's a lot of American talent in the Southwest, and Albuquerque is a great place to train.
ABQ is a great place to train, but UNM is a hard sell academically to distance runners. It's OK State levels of academics. If I'm a runner with decent grades who went to high school in the U.S., is UNM a great option? Nope. People crap on Colorado academics, but they're MUCH better than UNM.
NAU also doesn't have great academics, but Flagstaff > ABQ all day long, plus all the titles and athletes the school has produced.
Also, the only UNM alums I can think of who have done anything at the world class level are Kerr and Frerichs.
The academic argument seems a bit pretentious to me. Yeah, if every talented runner could pick and choose the BEST academic school and BEST athletic school that would be great, but that's not a reality. How many elite runners out there are going to be rocket scientists, brain surgeons, etc... Most of us "Less" intelligent people attend or have attended "average" competitive academic universities and have succeeded very well in athletics and life. College can be as difficult and challenging as you want it to be.
Which guys are 30? Bernard Cheruiyot is 22. Do people really see that World athletics profile for a totally different guy born in 1992 that has no results since 2017 and think that guy is now in the NCAA?
Solomon Kipchoge is who literally everyone is talking about. Learn how to read.
Except you love these guys when they represent us in the Olympics. I guess those two years off are beneficial only to their pro careers, but detrimental to their NCAA careers.
Why so many butt hurt dudes on here?
Who says we love it? I hate seeing people who aren't American represent the US. They are recruits who aren't American in any way, shape, or form. Where's the pride in that? I'd rather we do poorly with our own people. Same goes for Americans whose success is tied to our athletic programs, facilities, resources, etc. but go abroad to proudly represent foreign countries. They can wear a different uniform and stand under a different flag, but they're still American.
FInally! Someone I can agree with. We must continue to do poorly with our own people ad continue to idolize and celebrate mediocre American athletes. Thank goodness Sean is willing to handicap his own team's success.
Too bad he can’t coach. No one in the top 30 today. And I don’t want to hear “they trained through this meet” so did everyone else. So has every CU team in decades. It’s a concerning result for buff fans. If things don’t get better they might not even make the big dance.
Too bad he can’t coach. No one in the top 30 today. And I don’t want to hear “they trained through this meet” so did everyone else. So has every CU team in decades. It’s a concerning result for buff fans. If things don’t get better they might not even make the big dance.
Well… if he can’t coach, then, um, how did Tennessee do so good last year?
Too bad he can’t coach. No one in the top 30 today. And I don’t want to hear “they trained through this meet” so did everyone else. So has every CU team in decades. It’s a concerning result for buff fans. If things don’t get better they might not even make the big dance.
They would have been bad this year with Wetmore too. I'm not thrilled about how CU handled his departure, or how Carlson handles his arrival, but you can be sure Carlson is not being evaluated on 2024 results. Plus only conference and national count, so let's see how they do there.
Wetmore was 71, so he would have been retiring shortly anyway.
One has nothing to do with the other. While I don’t agree with not renewing Wetmore’s contract, I agree he was bound to be done soon anyway. So fine, he’s gone, I can live with that. But hiring Carlson was a mistake, he’s just like Deion, a great recruiter, but a terrible coach.
And he should 100% be evaluated on this years performance. He has two studs in Givens and Mathison. He brings with him a handful of his own guys from Tennesse, and he brings in new transfers, one of which is a 13:30 guy from western, so he’s already used to training at altitude. Anything worse than a top 5 finish at NCAA’s will be a let down and it should be viewed as such by everyone, especially those that hired him.
I am no Carlson fan but the NL rumors about Tennessee’s track and cross-country program are not true. The program is not funded through NIL. This is not an opinion this is a fact. Just saying
As a coach who has had over 10 athletes take visits and multiple athletes sign with Tennessee. They all got NIL money.
NIL money paid for one person to go to school at Texas and fly to Tennessee every weekend to train and race. For a full seamster this happened.
Tennessee isn’t the only school funding a lot with NIL, acting like NIL at Tennessee isn’t happening is laughable.