The brojos or gault need to ask Nikki point blank whether they have any TUEs or take any type of hormones via prescription.
"An example of a TUE is the World Anti-Doping Agency's exemption for testosterone replacement therapy. The average for a normal functioning male is a 1:1 ratio, but WADA allows up to a 4:1 ratio without testing positive for elevated testosterone."
The brojos or gault need to ask Nikki point blank whether they have any TUEs or take any type of hormones via prescription.
"An example of a TUE is the World Anti-Doping Agency's exemption for testosterone replacement therapy. The average for a normal functioning male is a 1:1 ratio, but WADA allows up to a 4:1 ratio without testing positive for elevated testosterone."
Pull up the Gold Coast Track Club or Emma Abrahamson videos from 2019, when I think Nikki was at their best and qualified for Worlds and made the final. Everything about Nikki looks way different from now. Physical appearance, physique, stride, everything. Nikki is even an attractive woman then.
Fast forward to 2021 at the US Olympic Trials. Nikki finishes DFL in the final of the 1,500 and fails to make the final of the 800. In 2021 and 2022, Nikki actually raced A LOT, so there is zero indication that Nikki was at all injured. In 2021, there were 11 1,500 races, 4 mile races, and 4 800 races in 2021, with the 1,500 times all ranging from a best of 4:02.94 and zero other 1,500 times below 4:05. The best performances were really in the 800, where there were 3 2:01.xx races. In 2022, there were 8 1,500 races, 7 mile races, 2 800s, and the Falmouth road race. The best performances were a 2:00.xx 800, a 4:04.12 1,500, and a 4:17 road mile, with zero other 1,500s under 4:07. Nikki finishes 10th at USAs and is dropped by Adidas for the poor performances.
That brings us to 2023. Nikki wins the USA indoor championships in the 1,500 in a tactical 4:17, runs a 1:59 800 at Bryan Clay Invite, somehow gets into the Bislett games and runs 4:01.42, wins USA outdoors in 4:03.10, gets into a race Faith Kipyegon runs 3:51 in at Monaco and runs a 3:59.61, and goes to Worlds but crashes out in the semifinal in 4:00.84. The improvement from the 2 previous years is significant.
Now, in 2024, Nikki wins the USA indoor championships again, places 2nd at World indoors in 4:02.32, runs 3:59.64 at Pre, cruises through the USA heats, and runs a 4 second PR in the final with a 3:55.33. The improvement from even last year is amazing.
I'm sorry, but this doesn't pass the smell test. We see a healthy runner who's career had all about flamed out, and then they are suddenly world class at 29 years old? Nope, not being done in a natural way.
This is an excellent take down based on facts, not conjecture. Please post links to those videos when you have a chance.
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She does not have to take testosterone. Hiltz said sometimes hiltz is a man, so logically the testosterone levels will increase. It’s basic biology 101.
It depends whether she wakes up "feeling like a dude".
The brojos or gault need to ask Nikki point blank whether they have any TUEs or take any type of hormones via prescription.
"An example of a TUE is the World Anti-Doping Agency's exemption for testosterone replacement therapy. The average for a normal functioning male is a 1:1 ratio, but WADA allows up to a 4:1 ratio without testing positive for elevated testosterone."
Nikki 100% has a TUE for this.
A woman would not get a TUE for testosterone replacement therapy that is designed to correct a male deficiency.
No, they can't. They can't take substances that are listed as banned by WADA.
Then that would be over the legal limit
The "legal limit" is you can't take any of the substances that are banned. You aren't equipped for this discussion. You need to go to the non-running threads.
The "legal limit" is you can't take any of the substances that are banned. You aren't equipped for this discussion. You need to go to the non-running threads.
Why do you have to be so annoying? You can't just have a normal discussion? Someone asked if you can take something under the legal limit and the answer is yes. If something is completely banned then the legal limit is zero and you can't take it. Discussion over.
The "legal limit" is you can't take any of the substances that are banned. You aren't equipped for this discussion. You need to go to the non-running threads.
Why do you have to be so annoying? You can't just have a normal discussion? Someone asked if you can take something under the legal limit and the answer is yes. If something is completely banned then the legal limit is zero and you can't take it. Discussion over.
That is what I said. But you don't appear to understand that there isn't a "legal limit" for a substance that is banned. You can't take "just a little bit of it".
Why do you have to be so annoying? You can't just have a normal discussion? Someone asked if you can take something under the legal limit and the answer is yes. If something is completely banned then the legal limit is zero and you can't take it. Discussion over.
That is what I said. But you don't appear to understand that there isn't a "legal limit" for a substance that is banned. You can't take "just a little bit of it".
His response shows that he does understand that. You guys are arguing over how to say the same thing. That’s Letsrun for you.
"An example of a TUE is the World Anti-Doping Agency's exemption for testosterone replacement therapy. The average for a normal functioning male is a 1:1 ratio, but WADA allows up to a 4:1 ratio without testing positive for elevated testosterone."
Nikki 100% has a TUE for this.
A woman would not get a TUE for testosterone replacement therapy that is designed to correct a male deficiency.
An ordinary woman wouldn't be granted a TUE for testosterone replacement therapy originally designed to correct a male deficiency. But a woman who claims to have a special gender identity could get one.
Cal Calamia, a female American distance runner who identifies as "trans non-binary" like Hiltz does and is aroudn the same age, got a TUE from USADA last fall that allows Calamia to take weekly T injections to obtain and retain a serum T level in the normal adult male range.
Although Calamia was born with a normal female endocrine and reproductive system and has always enjoyed excellent physical health, Calamia was able to get a TUE for high-dose testosterone on the grounds that it's "medically necessary, life-saving treatement" due to Calamia's gender identity issues and desire to have a body that reflects Calamia's view of Calamiaself as "nonbinary trans masculine."
Calamia sees the naturally low T levels of female people like Calamiaself and Hiltz as a dire, debilitating health condition comparable to hypogonadism in men with missing, faulty, underdeveloped, diseased or otherwise underfuctioning testes.
However, so far Calamia is only using the TUE to compete in the open, men's and nonbinary category.
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would be interested to see footage of her stride back then if this is indeed true. have said for sometimes now (generally massively downvoted) that she runs dramatically different than her competitors and the only way to expalin it, though it's not policitally correct, is to say that she runs like a boy
her stride does not look like most women's, she's way more athletic
because of her diminutive size it's not so striking, but it reminds me of how Caster Semenya stands out with such a different stride from her competitors as well
for reference, it has been shown that testosterone has a significant effect on one's motor patterns: feminist be dam.ed, there's a reason girls "throw like girls"
Pull up the Gold Coast Track Club or Emma Abrahamson videos from 2019, when I think Nikki was at their best and qualified for Worlds and made the final. Everything about Nikki looks way different from now. Physical appearance, physique, stride, everything. Nikki is even an attractive woman then.
Fast forward to 2021 at the US Olympic Trials. Nikki finishes DFL in the final of the 1,500 and fails to make the final of the 800. In 2021 and 2022, Nikki actually raced A LOT, so there is zero indication that Nikki was at all injured. In 2021, there were 11 1,500 races, 4 mile races, and 4 800 races in 2021, with the 1,500 times all ranging from a best of 4:02.94 and zero other 1,500 times below 4:05. The best performances were really in the 800, where there were 3 2:01.xx races. In 2022, there were 8 1,500 races, 7 mile races, 2 800s, and the Falmouth road race. The best performances were a 2:00.xx 800, a 4:04.12 1,500, and a 4:17 road mile, with zero other 1,500s under 4:07. Nikki finishes 10th at USAs and is dropped by Adidas for the poor performances.
That brings us to 2023. Nikki wins the USA indoor championships in the 1,500 in a tactical 4:17, runs a 1:59 800 at Bryan Clay Invite, somehow gets into the Bislett games and runs 4:01.42, wins USA outdoors in 4:03.10, gets into a race Faith Kipyegon runs 3:51 in at Monaco and runs a 3:59.61, and goes to Worlds but crashes out in the semifinal in 4:00.84. The improvement from the 2 previous years is significant.
Now, in 2024, Nikki wins the USA indoor championships again, places 2nd at World indoors in 4:02.32, runs 3:59.64 at Pre, cruises through the USA heats, and runs a 4 second PR in the final with a 3:55.33. The improvement from even last year is amazing.
I'm sorry, but this doesn't pass the smell test. We see a healthy runner who's career had all about flamed out, and then they are suddenly world class at 29 years old? Nope, not being done in a natural way.
i pulled up the 2019 WC 1500 video and compared it to the 2024 US Trials 1500 video and here's what i see:
Nikki's stride has not meaningfully changed whatsoever between the two races. She had a beautiful stride in 2019 and it looks nearly identical in 2024.
Some differences I did notice between the two races: 1. She was actually wearing buns in 2019 instead of boy shorts. Just thought it was interesting. 2. She now has that python vein showing in her biceps and her upper arm look more muscular, her legs look much more defined too, although she may just be leaner which creates that visual effect and would make sense she's faster, so kinda inconclusive in my opinion I prefer to give athletes benefit of the doubt. 3. In 2019 she committed the "pretend athlete pose" on the start line by having the same-side (ipsilateral) arm and leg both forward of the other sides' arm and leg. In 2024 she has the real athlete pose where the front leg and front arm are opposing sides (contralateral). Testosterone absolutely effects motor patterns and you will see more amateur girls performing this cringe display on start lines vs. the number of boys that do it. That being said, this is quite a reach I admit, but happens to be something I've noticed as quite the tell in terms of who not to pick for the win when at a meet with friends betting on literally every race despite not necessarily knowing who the competitors are. 4. While she does look more feminine in 2019 v 2024, that kinda happens with women in general but especially with female endurance athletes. Admittedly, it's pretty striking, but 5 years of high-level training can have this effect, so still inconclusive.
Personally, I do not think Nikki is cheating, though I of course have no proof either way. More likely to me is that she has always had much higher than avg testosterone for a girl, like even in utero, and thus she would have naturally grown up being much more athletic than her female peers (typical "tomboy" back when i was a kid) and as studies have shown she would be more (not "most likely" just "more than avg") likely to find herself attracted to other girls/women. There is a reason lesbians are extremely over-represented at the highest levels of sport: they tend to have more testosterone.
Had Nikki kept her personal business personal, and if we didn't have people like Lewis Johnson asking about her "community" in post-race interviews as if she was racing for Team LBGTQ+ instead of Team USA, I think that a lot more people would be fans of hers and she would be making more money. Of course, having more fans and more money isn't necessarily her top objective and having not lived a day in her shoes I'm not in a position to question her motives so I just assume she's doing the best she can to do what she feels is right just like I assume the rest of us are.
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