Florida named "New Ivy" by Forbes

How much money did Forbes get from these universities to post this drivel?

Binghamton made the list!!! Tbf, its made these types of lists for 3 decades+.

From D3 nobody going by the name of the colonials (oh the horror and existential threat to social justice everywhere) to D1 nobody instilling fear through the embodiment of a bearcat.

Vestal Steakhouse.....r.i.p

Actually, Hannah transferred from Wofford to NC State.

The student body at CMU is far more homogeneous than at FL. However, the top 5-10% at FL (and all the other big schools on the list) get an education that is on par with that at CMU. Further, CMU gives no merit scholarship. Yes, the article was good. The undercurrent was about activism - going to college to stand up for what you believe as opposed to developing one's intellect. You bring too many people like that in your organization and they will start mass revolts for every decision made by management - tail wagging the dog sort of a thing. College Admissions Officers are at fault because they encourage involvement in eccentric activities while in HS. Wake up call. Is that the sort of a student or employee you want? Disruption is only useful when progress stagnates. A manager would be foolish to hire a known agitator. Is there any hidden wisdom of hiring many agitators? How about, instead, hiring people who want to prove themselves? That's the point. And, that's why the article is good.

Sure, some things are good at W&M. Who really cares about averages unless you major in General Studies so that you sample a bit of everything? That goes to the statement that one university is clearly better than another. Some are, no doubt. UIUC >>UI Chicago. The student-faculty interaction is far better at Caltech than it is at UIUC or any of the Publics. You can literally pop in to a professor's office if the door is open or you used to. They will speak to you. Why? Because they need students to work on their projects. Big State school faculty's message is that they are not there to teach. So, which one do you want? Which one can shepherd your development? Cost is a factor, no doubt.

How do you know he is white? Where did race even come into this? Prehaps it is time for some self reflection when accusing one of racism.

When and why did they prevent NC State from getting law/medicine?

I lived in Hinman my sophomore year...kinda hated it. Loved Binghamton tho, great school

I guess you have to ask employers not ranking systems. Hey law firm do you see Florida on a CV and immediately think "oh ivy leaguer huh!"

Fla and Ohio State are both super hard to get into now. I don't think many think of them as good schools.

Ivy is ivy. But if you want some objectivity, look up what universities have the most top ranked schools. Top 20 or Top 5. Certain schools keep coming up-- Stanford, Michigan, Berkley, MIT, Harvard .

tossing UC schools for test optional is a big political tell. their reported test scores remain strong with their bottom quarter being around where UF's average is, and there is another standard metric -- GPA -- which is superior by tenths.

also, the affordability argument depends where you live. UF is $6k if you live there, nearly $30k if you don't. unless you're going to a state school with a deal with the other state to honor each other's in state tuition, it creeps up towards the lower end of private/LAC money to attend another state's flagship.

Regarding universities, are we considering undergrad, grad or both? Many universities don't offer majors or even have engineering, nursing or business schools.

College is what students make it, and any student can get an outstanding education at numerous colleges/universities if they focus on academics.

At some of those institutions that academic focus is required and not optional.

And there is often a difference between meeting standards to get into a school as opposed to meeting standards to graduate.

I doubt any athlete at any true Ivy League school is receiving preferential academic treatment because they are an athlete.

Nope. I never have applied to Wharton (nor U of Penn). I am a Cornell Engineering grad. I won’t belittle Wharton or Penn, contrary to your spirit.

Wharton - is that part of Penn State?

Of the privates on the list, I haven't been impressed with anyone from those schools except CMU, Hopkins, and Northwestern. Vanderbilt to a slightly lesser extent. The rest are weak - Georgetown, Notre Dame, USC, Emory, Boston College

This is great, I'd have to pay a consultant a ton for your thoughtful analysis. We won't hire from these schools this year.

Exactly, as soon as you go out of state to, you are getting close to ivies. UF is a great deal for instate and Bright Futures reduces that even further and UF is a very good school.

my deal is this. an ivy (or equivalent) is universal appeal. there is then the ivy plus set that are equivalent or the high flying second tier. also fairly broad appeal. the whole idea is you would sell your right arm to go there and everyone gives it credit already.

my deal is UF is a stretch to rank with the academic company it's put in, and if it's there on some sort "value" basis, that cheap tuition is unavailable to 31/33 of the country. to us it becomes an expensive $30k out of state school. it's cheaper than ivies or elite LAC but those schools might offer free tuition or heavy duty aid. and in any case it's well beyond the ability of most to afford out of pocket.

i say that because, the usual suspect ivy-plus, some of the schools listed, they have similarly highfalutin student bodies, elite programs in subjects, if i am going to pay through the nose, to go to out of state public school, it'd be cal or michigan or the obvious. UF has obviously done some improving, credit there, the margin has shrunk. and a good deal for FL. but at out of state tuition if you have a 1400-1500 SAT why FL and not the others? which would be my point about the rankings.

this is one of my beefs with the value university rankings, is the "in-state" bit can dramatically affect the value of quite a few. to me if you're on a budget it tends to telescope down to affordable privates plus your in-state schools or the neighbors with reciprocity. berkley's out of state tuition is more than some of the highfalutin LACs where i live. you have to badly want that. and to circle back around, to badly want that, it will need to be top notch. the deal with FL is you would end up fudging both quality and cost. which goes to my point of why is it there on the list. it's dozens of points behind the compared schools. and it ends up out of state tuition for most of us. meh.