The OP is irrelevant to the subject of ongoing Kenyan doping. It is obvious doping runs through Kenyan sport at every level. They are amongst the worst of what is a global problem. Kenya is rife with corruption. Corruption in sport will follow corruption in society.
As are your posts about me.
Two relevant authorities on the topic of Kenyan doping are WADA, and the AIU's Brett Clothier, who is aggressively trying to address the problem. What do you have to say about their detailed reports and recent press statements about the factors unique to Kenya, and about the trends in doping positives?
I'm not aware they have said anything to indicate doping in Kenya is less serious than what it is believed to be. I approve of any efforts to try to stem Kenyan doping but the unremitting frequency of violations shows us what they are up against.
She tested positive for an opioid.. pain killer oxy.
If you’ve used oxys or roxys or any awesome pain killer than you’d know it can def increase your performance in everything. Dang I used to work like a mofo on them. Now being off them wasn’t so fun lol. oh and I said it can increase your performance in anything, especially in the bedroom, you can go for hours, unless you slightly overdo it then it’s like pushing rope lol.
but seriously I couldn’t see this helping sprinters at all. Now distance runners for sure.
Two relevant authorities on the topic of Kenyan doping are WADA, and the AIU's Brett Clothier, who is aggressively trying to address the problem. What do you have to say about their detailed reports and recent press statements about the factors unique to Kenya, and about the trends in doping positives?
I'm not aware they have said anything to indicate doping in Kenya is less serious than what it is believed to be. I approve of any efforts to try to stem Kenyan doping but the unremitting frequency of violations shows us what they are up against.
Yes, you are not aware. Brett Clothier has been very active in the press in the last year and this year, explaining what is unique about Kenya, so there is really little excuse for you being so unaware.
"what is believed to be" largely depends on the believer. It will be less than some believers and more than others.
I gave a brief summary of the unique factors, and the latest progress report from Brett Clothier back on page 3, but don't take my words for it. You can also google "Brett Clothier" "AIU" and "Kenya" like I did. There is a good interview at the BBC from last year, and some recent ones at Kenyan websites before Cross Country. The AIU also has some press releases at their website, and WADA reports can be found at their website.
I'm not aware they have said anything to indicate doping in Kenya is less serious than what it is believed to be. I approve of any efforts to try to stem Kenyan doping but the unremitting frequency of violations shows us what they are up against.
Yes, you are not aware. Brett Clothier has been very active in the press in the last year and this year, explaining what is unique about Kenya, so there is really little excuse for you being so unaware.
"what is believed to be" largely depends on the believer. It will be less than some believers and more than others.
I gave a brief summary of the unique factors, and the latest progress report from Brett Clothier back on page 3, but don't take my words for it. You can also google "Brett Clothier" "AIU" and "Kenya" like I did. There is a good interview at the BBC from last year, and some recent ones at Kenyan websites before Cross Country. The AIU also has some press releases at their website, and WADA reports can be found at their website.
Yes, you are not aware. Brett Clothier has been very active in the press in the last year and this year, explaining what is unique about Kenya, so there is really little excuse for you being so unaware.
"what is believed to be" largely depends on the believer. It will be less than some believers and more than others.
I gave a brief summary of the unique factors, and the latest progress report from Brett Clothier back on page 3, but don't take my words for it. You can also google "Brett Clothier" "AIU" and "Kenya" like I did. There is a good interview at the BBC from last year, and some recent ones at Kenyan websites before Cross Country. The AIU also has some press releases at their website, and WADA reports can be found at their website.
So what. Does any of it change what I said?
I agreed with you -- you are unaware and on that basis of unawareness, you expressed what you believe.
Yes, you are not aware. Brett Clothier has been very active in the press in the last year and this year, explaining what is unique about Kenya, so there is really little excuse for you being so unaware.
"what is believed to be" largely depends on the believer. It will be less than some believers and more than others.
I gave a brief summary of the unique factors, and the latest progress report from Brett Clothier back on page 3, but don't take my words for it. You can also google "Brett Clothier" "AIU" and "Kenya" like I did. There is a good interview at the BBC from last year, and some recent ones at Kenyan websites before Cross Country. The AIU also has some press releases at their website, and WADA reports can be found at their website.
So what. Does any of it change what I said?
You think something from the past could be changed?
I agreed with you -- you are unaware and on that basis of unawareness, you expressed what you believe.
So nothing they have said changes the fundamental seriousness of Kenyan doping. Thanks.
Actually, your comparison wasn't "fundamental seriousness of doping" but some amorphous "less serious than what it is believed to be", which changes for each believer.
But you remain unaware that Brett Clothier gives us an update this year that there are important changes compared to last year.
Thanks for the instant demonstration of your "usual tactic" in action. You employed both tactics: "(going) after a particular poster and (avoiding) the subject", and blaming me for the choices of others.
Your two problems are not exclusive. The problem can be both "other posters" and "Kenyan doping".
I just responded above to "Alex Hutchingsong" about yet another Kenyan doping bust, pointing to what WADA says about the Kenyan doping and what the AIU's Brett Clothier says about the progress of the solution.
If you are truly interested in the Kenyan doping problem, you can respond to the content of that post, either correcting any errors, or adding to it, rather than going after me and blaming me for the actions of others.
But apparently even the creator of this thread disagrees with you. I can't count how many threads he started, being the first to announce new Kenyan busts while the ink was still drying. Yet for him, the problem must also include athletes from junior World Cross Country from Kenya, Ethiopia, and Uganda; a German coach from 2009; and an Eritrean Swede, the tragic death of another Ethiopian, and their Spanish manager; not to mention "going after other posters" like me, hoaty, Spade Detecter, and Thoughtsleader -- all of this within the first two pages of this thread.
Reading this typical obfuscating and topic diverting wall of text, and reading back the first page of this thread :
I'm not ashamed of alerting 'the premier running forum' about the latest Kenyan busts. I wish there were a dozen posters here who took the Kenyan doping problem, that has turned the last 30 years of the sport into a sham, as seriously as I do.
Immediately after I created this thread, Hoady starts a fight with Steve the Addict. He also turns the thread into a discussion of his racial science claim that Kenyans are an offshoot of Homo Sapiens who dominate xcountry juniors because of 'using less energy' or whatever bunkum he believes. Then you jump in to agree with him. Then your debate with ArmstrongIivs gets going.
Thanks for the instant demonstration of your "usual tactic" in action. You employed both tactics: "(going) after a particular poster and (avoiding) the subject", and blaming me for the choices of others.
Your two problems are not exclusive. The problem can be both "other posters" and "Kenyan doping".
I just responded above to "Alex Hutchingsong" about yet another Kenyan doping bust, pointing to what WADA says about the Kenyan doping and what the AIU's Brett Clothier says about the progress of the solution.
If you are truly interested in the Kenyan doping problem, you can respond to the content of that post, either correcting any errors, or adding to it, rather than going after me and blaming me for the actions of others.
But apparently even the creator of this thread disagrees with you. I can't count how many threads he started, being the first to announce new Kenyan busts while the ink was still drying. Yet for him, the problem must also include athletes from junior World Cross Country from Kenya, Ethiopia, and Uganda; a German coach from 2009; and an Eritrean Swede, the tragic death of another Ethiopian, and their Spanish manager; not to mention "going after other posters" like me, hoaty, Spade Detecter, and Thoughtsleader -- all of this within the first two pages of this thread.
Reading this typical obfuscating and topic diverting wall of text, and reading back the first page of this thread :
I'm not ashamed of alerting 'the premier running forum' about the latest Kenyan busts. I wish there were a dozen posters here who took the Kenyan doping problem, that has turned the last 30 years of the sport into a sham, as seriously as I do.
Immediately after I created this thread, Hoady starts a fight with Steve the Addict. He also turns the thread into a discussion of his racial science claim that Kenyans are an offshoot of Homo Sapiens who dominate xcountry juniors because of 'using less energy' or whatever bunkum he believes. Then you jump in to agree with him. Then your debate with ArmstrongIivs gets going.
It's not a Kenyan doping problem, it's a global doping problem.
That the medal count of the recent world cross country champs was 7/7/1 for east Africa compared to 0/0/1 for the rest of the world is not the result of doping but of obviously great conditions for running fast in this part of the world.
Reading this typical obfuscating and topic diverting wall of text, and reading back the first page of this thread :
I'm not ashamed of alerting 'the premier running forum' about the latest Kenyan busts. I wish there were a dozen posters here who took the Kenyan doping problem, that has turned the last 30 years of the sport into a sham, as seriously as I do.
Immediately after I created this thread, Hoady starts a fight with Steve the Addict. He also turns the thread into a discussion of his racial science claim that Kenyans are an offshoot of Homo Sapiens who dominate xcountry juniors because of 'using less energy' or whatever bunkum he believes. Then you jump in to agree with him. Then your debate with ArmstrongIivs gets going.
It's not a Kenyan doping problem, it's a global doping problem.
That the medal count of the recent world cross country champs was 7/7/1 for east Africa compared to 0/0/1 for the rest of the world is not the result of doping but of obviously great conditions for running fast in this part of the world.
The Kenyans are the front-runners in a global problem.
So nothing they have said changes the fundamental seriousness of Kenyan doping. Thanks.
Actually, your comparison wasn't "fundamental seriousness of doping" but some amorphous "less serious than what it is believed to be", which changes for each believer.
But you remain unaware that Brett Clothier gives us an update this year that there are important changes compared to last year.
Only a dim pedant thinks there is a significant difference between the two. What is "believed" doesn't refer to doping deniers like yourself.
So with these "important changes" does that mean there is less doping in Kenya? If so, why do the violations continue and at every level?
It's not a Kenyan doping problem, it's a global doping problem.
That the medal count of the recent world cross country champs was 7/7/1 for east Africa compared to 0/0/1 for the rest of the world is not the result of doping but of obviously great conditions for running fast in this part of the world.
The Kenyans are the front-runners in a global problem.
7/7/6 not 7/7/1
Less doping in Ethiopia? Moroccans are clean? Russians? Americans? What a nonsense.
It's hard to follow your never ending discussions, but are you admitting to ArmstrongLivs that 10% of elite Kenyans dope?
It was a question. That's what the "?" indicates in English. I'm asking what the vague "extent of Kenyan doping" means, in the context of the AIU saying that Kenya has a pyramid of hundreds or a thousand "top-class athletes".
Only a dim pedant thinks there is a significant difference between the two. What is "believed" doesn't refer to doping deniers like yourself.
So with these "important changes" does that mean there is less doping in Kenya? If so, why do the violations continue and at every level?
But this isn't a church. Why debate about "what it is believed to be" about the "seriousness", when we have experts at the AIU and WADA looking deeply into it, and giving us progress reports? You are again self-projecting, thinking I'm expressing my personal belief, rather than conveying what WADA and the AIU tell us about the Kenyan doping problem. Why not shift your beliefs to accomodate the latest updates?
Reading this typical obfuscating and topic diverting wall of text, and reading back the first page of this thread :
I'm not ashamed of alerting 'the premier running forum' about the latest Kenyan busts. I wish there were a dozen posters here who took the Kenyan doping problem, that has turned the last 30 years of the sport into a sham, as seriously as I do.
Immediately after I created this thread, Hoady starts a fight with Steve the Addict. He also turns the thread into a discussion of his racial science claim that Kenyans are an offshoot of Homo Sapiens who dominate xcountry juniors because of 'using less energy' or whatever bunkum he believes. Then you jump in to agree with him. Then your debate with ArmstrongIivs gets going.
I'm not shaming you for posting new Kenyan doping busts. That's fine. Judging from busts, it has become a big problem in the last 10-15 years.
But before the end of page two, you first smeared me (see post #11), and continued to do so, with obfusacting and topic diverting subjects such as junior World Cross Country doping, a 2009 fine for a German coach who broke the law, and a story about an Ethiopian, an Eritrean Swede, and their Spanish manager (containing a half-dozen factual errors). For good measure, you also picked a fight with Thoughtsleader about ibuprofen.
I did not jump in to agree with him. I did not respond to hoady or Steve at all. I first jumped in (see post #28) to respond to you, asking you to tell me more about these "most or all of those 15 U20 runners have been juiced out of their heads by coaches/managers". You didn't follow up with an answer, but two more smears.
Then Armstronglivs blamed me for responding to you derailing your own thread, ironically itself derailing the thread further. I tried to get it back on topic (see post #59) -- but by that point, no one seemed interested in Lucy Mawia. Now you blame me for responding to Armstronglivs ironic "going after me" for "going after you".
Why bother arguing with this obvious troll? The numbers are there. Semantics are irrelevant. Kenya has literarally hundreds of distance runners of all standards sexes and ages currently suspended for doping infringements. They get caught enmass cheating other runners out of income, medals and glory. They are currently the world standard in doping in long distance global running.
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