Khamis wrote:
The pill fights lactic acid. If that's the case real men like Renato, Rojo and myself would just get the athlete to drink alkali water right . These pills are a waste of manhood, time and money.
Thank you.
Did you know there's a pill that supposedly over half the distance medallists used in 2023?
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Good piece by Jonathan Gault.
Keely Hodgkinson says: “I never used bicarb before Maurten reached out to me because I always heard the horror stories of taking it. But they have a really good formulation. It tastes a bit like Calpol. I think people think that if you take it you won’t get lactic anymore. You definitely still get pain. But it just helps you tolerate it a bit more and I’ve run well with it this year.”10 -
Look I would give her Enagic brand Japan's Kangen Water and she would still run just as well if not better.
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This letsrun outrage reminds me of the inital nike vaporfly debate, where the Letsrun forum mostly was saying it´s just Nike marketing and not a relevant performance enhancer, now look how well that aged.
Yes it´s not "new" that Bicarb enhances / can enhance performance, but it has it´s issues when it comes to actually taking it. Same with the shoes, at the start only a few guys had access, now if this keeps getting spread into the market then more brands will start to try and develop their own formula.
And I wouldn´t be surprised if the forum does a 180 on that like it did with the shoes
This running community is the best example of being against any possible new technology and first the argument against it is that it is just marketing and a money grab, then the argument shifts to it being an unfair advantage and should be banned to keep the sport "clean" and "honest". Mental gymnastics at it´s best
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800 dude wrote:
There isn't really any question that the stuff "works" in that it helps you to buffer hydrogen ions. Whether it improves your performance is going to depend on whether acidosis was your limiting factor. The old school model posits that "anaerobic training" is just about developing your tolerance for acidosis and that if you can just tolerate a bit more, you can tap more anaerobic energy. In reality, many athletes--particularly highly trained athletes with monster aerobic systems--actually struggle to produce enough anaerobic energy to really make acidosis an issue.
The most natural home for this product is in the 800, particularly with fast-twitch dominant athletes who tend to rely heavily on anaerobic energy. There are also hypotheses about how it could reduce perceived exertion, even at distances where acidosis is a non-issue, and that may make it easier for an athlete to dig deeper in the later stage of a race, but that's very untested.
As for whether it's right for athletes to be doing this, I don't really understand the objection. Training practices evolve. Athletes 50 years ago didn't have protein shakes after every workout. Athletes 20 years ago thought that ice baths would improve recovery from hard workouts (instead of hindering adaptation). This is how the sport gets better. Athletes have a responsibility to follow actual, objective rules. They don't have to follow some weirdo's aesthetic judgment about what the sport should be like.
So, you have no problem with someone running a 1500 in under 3:00 due to something an engineer discovers in 2035? I have a lot of problems with that, it's call ethics!
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Baking soda I got baking soda
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willbillonthehill wrote:
My god, the idiocy here. Rojo is concerned about OAC taking this, Gault is mesmerized, and it's old effing news. Might want to combine this with an eight month old thread:
Maurten Bicarb System = Significant performance enhancer? - LetsRun.com
Bicarb isn’t the only thing OAC is taking. That’s for sure
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Yeah, this such an old story.. you tell the press that you are drinking reindeer milk, or antler spray, or gorilla p!ss.. whatever.. but in reality you are just injecting the ol reliable Test. and epo,
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Wanted to see if anyone pulled on this thread for the same result...
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