Fact, Peter Snell in super shoes would mop the floor with Jokob.
Lydiard training hasn’t been improved upon.
Jakob ran a better mile and a better 1500 m than Peter Snell in 2018. The combination of Jakob being 17 years old at the time, and the super shoes that was available in 2018 shows that he probably would not mop the floor with Jakob. Maybe with 17 year old Jakob, but not likely 23 year old Jakob.
No, Dumbstrong, you have said Snell would outkick Ingebrigsten every time over 1500m/mile, like the two Scots.
The two Scots have regularly lost to Ingebrigtsen. And for sure so would have the Snell of 1960 - 1964. The Snell of those days today probably would be something like 1:42.8/3:32. Most likely he would not run the 1500m at all today.
I did say Snell would do that - I am not saying he wouldn't - but I simply added, like the way Ingebrigtsen has been outkicked by two Scotsmen - which isn't the same point. But you are too staggeringly thick to follow that. I can't really be bothered trying to discuss these things with a moron who can't read a sentence and understand it.
No need to "try" to discuss anything, Dumbstrong - you will fail. As you have shown hundreds of times in this forum, day after day.
You have given a wrong statement (as so often) regarding the two Scots, which I have clarified.
You also have said, Snell would regularly outkick Ingebrigtsen. Absolutely no indication this would be true. Most likely the Snell in current conditions would not run sub 3:30 and most likely would not be competitive over this event and just stick to his strong event, the 800m, in which he would be one of the best.
It isn't about h2h, moron, but that in two global championship finals Ingebrigtsen has been successively outkicked by two Scotsmen. That is the point. It needs no further explanation to anyone with an iota of intelligence.
Aha, and what is the point that the two athletes who have beaten him are both Scotsmen? They share some running gene?
Both of them regularly lose to Ingebrigtsen, also in championship finals (which you specifically pointed on), Dumbstrong.
Fact, Peter Snell in super shoes would mop the floor with Jokob.
Lydiard training hasn’t been improved upon.
Jakob ran a better mile and a better 1500 m than Peter Snell in 2018. The combination of Jakob being 17 years old at the time, and the super shoes that was available in 2018 shows that he probably would not mop the floor with Jakob. Maybe with 17 year old Jakob, but not likely 23 year old Jakob.
If Snell was on what Jakob was he would mop the floor with him - at any age.
Peter Snell took the mile record the year he became 24. Do you think he also had doubters pointing at his lack of records before that?
He was 23. He didn't run a serious mile before his wr. He was till then a half-miler. His goal was simply to beat 4 minutes for the first time. He also didn't take the sport up until he was 19.
I did say Snell would do that - I am not saying he wouldn't - but I simply added, like the way Ingebrigtsen has been outkicked by two Scotsmen - which isn't the same point. But you are too staggeringly thick to follow that. I can't really be bothered trying to discuss these things with a moron who can't read a sentence and understand it.
No need to "try" to discuss anything, Dumbstrong - you will fail. As you have shown hundreds of times in this forum, day after day.
You have given a wrong statement (as so often) regarding the two Scots, which I have clarified.
You also have said, Snell would regularly outkick Ingebrigtsen. Absolutely no indication this would be true. Most likely the Snell in current conditions would not run sub 3:30 and most likely would not be competitive over this event and just stick to his strong event, the 800m, in which he would be one of the best.
You make no points worth debating or show that you understand what is being debated.
So he was supposed to hold the record in perpetuity? Like Ryun hasn't - and nor has anyone else (till El G so far). Idiot.
No, Dumbstrong. But it's some indication that the record was not particularly strong, also behind the 1500m record in terms of quality.
Snell today would be competitive in the 800m, not in the 1500m.
Idiots like you have argued Komen's 2 mile record wasn't strong, despite it lasting for nearly a quarter of a century. You want it both ways. Snell was the best md runner in the world for 4 years - Ryun wasn't - and achieved championship titles Ryun didn't. Ryun would likely acknowledge who was greater in the sport. And if you insist on going by times, then Hocker and co, who have run faster than Ryun's 3:33, are all better than Ryun.
It isn't about h2h, moron, but that in two global championship finals Ingebrigtsen has been successively outkicked by two Scotsmen. That is the point. It needs no further explanation to anyone with an iota of intelligence.
Aha, and what is the point that the two athletes who have beaten him are both Scotsmen? They share some running gene?
Both of them regularly lose to Ingebrigtsen, also in championship finals (which you specifically pointed on), Dumbstrong.
Two athletes from only one small nationality have both shown they were better than Ingebrigtsen in a championship final. If they could whip his *ss there is little doubt a legend like Snell would if competing and training in the same era. Oh, I forgot - and doping like Ingebrigtsen does.
No, Dumbstrong. But it's some indication that the record was not particularly strong, also behind the 1500m record in terms of quality.
Snell today would be competitive in the 800m, not in the 1500m.
Idiots like you have argued Komen's 2 mile record wasn't strong, despite it lasting for nearly a quarter of a century. You want it both ways. Snell was the best md runner in the world for 4 years - Ryun wasn't - and achieved championship titles Ryun didn't. Ryun would likely acknowledge who was greater in the sport. And if you insist on going by times, then Hocker and co, who have run faster than Ryun's 3:33, are all better than Ryun.
You sound completely unhinged. Can't you go for one day, just one day without insulting people? Disagree with them, refute their arguments, whatever, but without insulting them?
Aha, and what is the point that the two athletes who have beaten him are both Scotsmen? They share some running gene?
Both of them regularly lose to Ingebrigtsen, also in championship finals (which you specifically pointed on), Dumbstrong.
Two athletes from only one small nationality have both shown they were better than Ingebrigtsen in a championship final. If they could whip his *ss there is little doubt a legend like Snell would if competing and training in the same era. Oh, I forgot - and doping like Ingebrigtsen does.
I saw this "logic" from other dumbers as well, Dumbstrong, so you are in good company.
Scots are better than Ingebrigtsen (they aren't), so is the rest of the world. Dumbstrong in his element.
In a extremely slow race, Snell would beat Ingebrigtsen most likely. Faster than 3:32: no chance.
Fact, Peter Snell in super shoes would mop the floor with Jokob.
Lydiard training hasn’t been improved upon.
Jakob ran a better mile and a better 1500 m than Peter Snell in 2018. The combination of Jakob being 17 years old at the time, and the super shoes that was available in 2018 shows that he probably would not mop the floor with Jakob. Maybe with 17 year old Jakob, but not likely 23 year old Jakob.
No he didn’t run a better mile. He ran in cheater shoes.
Two athletes from only one small nationality have both shown they were better than Ingebrigtsen in a championship final. If they could whip his *ss there is little doubt a legend like Snell would if competing and training in the same era. Oh, I forgot - and doping like Ingebrigtsen does.
I saw this "logic" from other dumbers as well, Dumbstrong, so you are in good company.
Scots are better than Ingebrigtsen (they aren't), so is the rest of the world. Dumbstrong in his element.
In a extremely slow race, Snell would beat Ingebrigtsen most likely. Faster than 3:32: no chance.
Nonsense- today’s athletes are soft, they cheat. Sorry you’re boy will always have an asterisk next to his name.
Maybe its the way you write or word choices. For example, bounding is not a phase. Bounding is part of the hill phase. This is where you confused me. And just the way you mentioned from Aeorbic to bounding to anaerobic....or however you actually wrote it, it reads as if singular aspects are developed only and nothing else.
And what is published in schedules (not that you are necessarily indicating this) was only published because it helped book sales. He didn't want to put the schedules out for obvious reasons.
The art of coaching — missing from most dialogue when people discuss Lydiard — is nuanced and may appear at times to contradict what he had written down.
For example, I had two masters run a half marathon last weekend. I stick very close to Lydiard (I mean have I coached 17 Olympic gold medals? Nope). I gave them two very different sets of instructions for the day before. Same tactics instructions for the course and conditions and emphasized the killer instinct with one over the other. They both ran a couple minutes faster than they anticipated.
So, it could appear that I contradict Lydiard, but I do not. He was the master at crafting the right intructions. And he knew when to sit someone down while making another do something anaerobic in training and he also knew when to just watch and let the athlete handle the effort and the volume (famoud Dick Tayler story).
The phases, in order are important, but like his 100 mile weeks or 22-mile Waiatarua runs, there was much more to his coaching than those most popular things.
It reminds of Gladwell's book Outliers. Everyone quotes "10,000 hours of practice." No one seems to remember opportunity, timing, the right practice and being born at the right time. There's more to the story.
Fair enough and apologies if my naming of the Lydiard phases was confusing, and the goals were too brief.
The point I was addressing was that not all periodicity is the same, and today non-Lydiard coaches today will include sessions, e.g track training in an the aerobic development phase, that would violate Lydiard's phases, going far beyond strides and fartleks, because the goals of the phases with different types of periodization and the order of what is developed when are defined differently.
I agree with you about unwritten "art of coaching". I think a big part of Lydiard's success was nothing he wrote in a book, but his ability to motivate athletes, removing any psychological doubts and building trust and confidence, and his ability to read the athlete and knowing when and how to adapt and deviate and even violate what is written, if it is what the athlete needs on that day.
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