I agree with you, the reply that 17-20 year old girls should be forced in their most vulnerable environment, the bathroom... the changing room to see a male penis of a man who has made zero effort and is sexually attracted to women is appalling. The statements that these children, these young women should deal with it sounds like the words of a pedophile and sexual deviant. No 17-20 year old woman should deal with this abuse.
You have nothing to worry then. They won’t be psychologically damaged by being forced “to see a male penis of a man”, but might occasionally glimpse the female penis of a woman.
If you can get permission to get changed in the women's locker room, like Lia Thomas, then it will be a non-story
wanna take another crack at acutally answering the question? In your opinion would it be fair or unfair to deny a straigh/non trans man "permission" to be naked in the women's locker room? Perhaps naked men should be granted to all womens locker room across the country, would that make you happy? Maybe no one should wear clothes at all! Indulge me please, just try to think rationaly. You don't have to actually put together a rational idea but please at least try to.
What do you think happens to transgenders in the men's changing rooms?
They're more likely to be a victim while using the men's, than they are to be a perpetrator while using the women's. If you are concerned about reducing sexual assault it's just mathematics - that's the rational thing to do.
Why you would condemn these people to almost certain harassment in the men's changing rooms?:
I agree with you, the reply that 17-20 year old girls should be forced in their most vulnerable environment, the bathroom... the changing room to see a male penis of a man who has made zero effort and is sexually attracted to women is appalling. The statements that these children, these young women should deal with it sounds like the words of a pedophile and sexual deviant. No 17-20 year old woman should deal with this abuse.
The athlete in question, is a male with testicles and a penis who gets erections and has not transitioned. IF he was walking though the locker room with a vagina, a birth certificate corrected, a passport, drivers license and a plea of "I am trying", maybe... maybe... but this is sexual abuse on every level.
I guarantee you, the majority of 17-20 year old women have seen a penis. Not saying it is right (hell I don't like seeing schlongs in male locker rooms) but to pretend that young women a fragile little things that need a big bad man to project them is just has harmful. Especially when the right wing doesn't want to extend reproductive rights to these same women.
Calling people incels for not being ok with a mixed sex locker room is revolting.
Women have a right to privacy and safety. Having a single sex locker room is very basic. You clearly have no understanding of the assault risks for women in mixed sex bathrooms, or the vulnerability.
Penises don’t rape people, people do. The only way to deter a bad person with a penis is a good person with a penis, so allowing peniled women in public bathrooms would help improve public bathroom crime that is our existential problem of the day.
wanna take another crack at acutally answering the question? In your opinion would it be fair or unfair to deny a straigh/non trans man "permission" to be naked in the women's locker room? Perhaps naked men should be granted to all womens locker room across the country, would that make you happy? Maybe no one should wear clothes at all! Indulge me please, just try to think rationaly. You don't have to actually put together a rational idea but please at least try to.
What do you think happens to transgenders in the men's changing rooms?
They're more likely to be a victim while using the men's, than they are to be a perpetrator while using the women's. If you are concerned about reducing sexual assault it's just mathematics - that's the rational thing to do.
Why you would condemn these people to almost certain harassment in the men's changing rooms?:
I don't know. What do you think happens to transgenders in male changing rooms? So you say 'men almost certainly harass transgenders in the locker room'.? Would you consider that a sexist statement? (don't worry, you don't have to embarrass yourself and answer that question on a public forum), I'm trying to help you.
It is a story because this shouldn't be normalized.
Would it be unreasonable to have a locker/changing room for the trans athletes only? Most facilities should be able to accommodate it.
There are many tribes in the world where the women walk around with their titties happily hanging out in public. The men of those societies are not any more rapey because of the visual abundance of titties.
Many facilities already have unisex as well as separate gender-friendly bathrooms, so that’s not unreasonable either, but most don’t, so where do the peniled women piss until your segregation vision is complete?
good point, so all men should be able to freely walk around naked in womens locker rooms and bathrooms. That is the point you're trying to make, right? Like if I go to the gym today, I should be able to walk into the womens locker room and take my pants off? And any thing less is as you 'segregationist'? help me understand your point.
In many parts of the world, advocating for single sex facilities is a major human rights issues for girls. Not having those facilities is directly linked to poor education outcomes and sexual assault.
In many parts of the world, men and women just go in the public alone in a remote place. Do you think the peniled members of those societies go, “ha that defecating lady is totally tempting my urges, time to rape her”.
What do you think happens to transgenders in the men's changing rooms?
They're more likely to be a victim while using the men's, than they are to be a perpetrator while using the women's. If you are concerned about reducing sexual assault it's just mathematics - that's the rational thing to do.
Why you would condemn these people to almost certain harassment in the men's changing rooms?:
I don't know. What do you think happens to transgenders in male changing rooms? So you say 'men almost certainly harass transgenders in the locker room'.? Would you consider that a sexist statement? (don't worry, you don't have to embarrass yourself and answer that question on a public forum), I'm trying to help you.
Trans women using the men's changing rooms will almost certainly be harassed by men, as would a non-trans woman using the men's changing rooms. Not a sexist statement unless you're an idiot.
I guarantee you, the majority of 17-20 year old women have seen a penis. Not saying it is right (hell I don't like seeing schlongs in male locker rooms) but to pretend that young women a fragile little things that need a big bad man to project them is just has harmful. Especially when the right wing doesn't want to extend reproductive rights to these same women.
Who cares if they have 'seen a penis'. Why would you equate seeing a penis of an intimate partner as being equal to seeing a penis of some dude in a locker room anyways? While changing and naked? Helllllooooooo women don't want to get naked around random males who are naked.
And calling women 'fragile' for being concerned? You are delusional. And clearly don't know any rape victims or victims of assault.
The theme here is girls should 'get over it' and make room for the men. Great champion of women's rights you are. These asinine arguments are just as bad as the GOP on reproductive issues
FYI I have actually had a friend get assaulted in a bathroom by a guy. Yes, it happens.
God forbid a college aged woman sees a penis. I’m sure none of them have before and their innocence is being stripped from them as they view it.
America is one of the most prude countries in the world.
If a college age woman WANTS to see a penis, that is her choice. If you have a penis, it is not your choice to show it to anyone and everyone who doesn't want to see it.
I don't know. What do you think happens to transgenders in male changing rooms? So you say 'men almost certainly harass transgenders in the locker room'.? Would you consider that a sexist statement? (don't worry, you don't have to embarrass yourself and answer that question on a public forum), I'm trying to help you.
Trans women using the men's changing rooms will almost certainly be harassed by men, as would a non-trans woman using the men's changing rooms. Not a sexist statement unless you're an idiot.
got it.... women are not likely to harass trans people but men are and that's not a sexist statement. Got it. And anyone that disagrees with you is an idiot. Keep going, please. Show us more of your moral superiority, tolerance and intelligence.
good point, so all men should be able to freely walk around naked in womens locker rooms and bathrooms. That is the point you're trying to make, right? Like if I go to the gym today, I should be able to walk into the womens locker room and take my pants off? And any thing less is as you 'segregationist'? help me understand your point.
Don’t yelp like an unintentionally exposed clumsy titty. Quote what I stated and attribute nothing else to me except quoted claims. State anything else as your opinion. Then I might consider helping you understand.
God forbid a college aged woman sees a penis. I’m sure none of them have before and their innocence is being stripped from them as they view it.
America is one of the most prude countries in the world.
If a college age woman WANTS to see a penis, that is her choice. If you have a penis, it is not your choice to show it to anyone and everyone who doesn't want to see it.
Agreed. Who is arguing for the right to display penis?
good point, so all men should be able to freely walk around naked in womens locker rooms and bathrooms. That is the point you're trying to make, right? Like if I go to the gym today, I should be able to walk into the womens locker room and take my pants off? And any thing less is as you 'segregationist'? help me understand your point.
Don’t yelp like an unintentionally exposed clumsy titty. Quote what I stated and attribute nothing else to me except quoted claims. State anything else as your opinion. Then I might consider helping you understand.
If a college age woman WANTS to see a penis, that is her choice. If you have a penis, it is not your choice to show it to anyone and everyone who doesn't want to see it.
Agreed. Who is arguing for the right to display penis?
um..... the people that are arguing for men to be allowed to be naked in womens locker rooms are.
The theme here is girls should 'get over it' and make room for the men. Great champion of women's rights you are. These asinine arguments are just as bad as the GOP on reproductive issues
No, the theme is to make room for women who look different, so great championship of women’s rights indeed.