And why were their parents and grandparents in those camps?
The Palestinians have been gone from Palestine for a few decades and so have no right of return.
The Euro Jews think they have been gone for 2,000 years and so have an eternal right of return
The Palestinians have had opportunities to have homeland where the refugees could return to and would have been compensated. Only a limited amount would have been allowed to return to Israel.
The West Bank is part of Jewish historic lands but in a compromise Jews won't likely be able to return to large areas where their ancestors lived either in the what becomes a Palestinian homeland.
Israel's population is far from being solely Euro Jews.
The Palestinians could have control of immigration into their state. Israel could have control of immigration into they allow into their state.
Yes, jewish attrition happened gradually like history happens. Through fighting between locally situated tribes over time. No sudden giant plops.
OP’s question was to explain the modern day conflict, not whether or how reasonable their historical desire was (“right” not being a meaningful word in geopolitics).
Native American attrition, Aboriginal attrition, Maori attrition, no sudden giant plops.
I’d say so because they took decades, though I take it you are being sarcastic. Point is sudden plops as well as slower sludges inevitably are the cause of conflicts as they were in the Middle East as wells as in native lands, the only difference in the latter case being that the decimation was near complete as they had nowhere else to flee unlike the Jews. If the natives plopped back in large numbers with truly sovereign boundaries, there will be much conflict.
I don’t see why “plop” bothers you so much as if I’m offending Jews. The plop is historical fact and just means a sudden large placement and consequent displacement, and is the raison d’etre for the modern day conflict. If not for the plop, it is plausible (not the same thing as probable) there may be peace in the Middle East today.
Move all the people of all these holy places out temporarily. Than bombard the entire area with nukes until it is all flat glass. Then, with all the objects of nonsensical superstition gone without a trace, invite them all back.
But, I suppose then they’ll start interpreting swirls in the glass a this deity or that and the fighting will resume.
Oh yeah, give all the lands stolen from Lebanon and Egypt back while you’re at it.
It's 7,000 years old. Europe/Mediterranean render Jews as filth and murder them, Ukraine for example is one of the worst. France, Spain, England, Russia, etc. have terrible record 7,000 years of pogroms on Jews. The Romans, Greeks, Persians, Mongols, British, Americans conquered the Middle East and mercilessly rape and pillaged for centuries. Arabs are treated like Blacks by the United States, no human rights, no vote, etc. It's really disgusting.
The eastern Mediterranean area has been fought over by various ethic/religious groups for millennia. It was controlled in antiquity by Jewish groups who faced Greek, Roman, Mongol, European, and Muslim invaders (not necessarily in that order). Eventually the Jews were forced out of control. After WWII, the Allies developed a plan to replace the various local governments with a single Jewish one as a) reward for help from Jewish scientists like Weizmann, Szilard, et al in WWI and WWII, b) a nod to the Jews after the Holocaust and to the growing Zionist movement including famous members the Rothschilds, and most importantly c) a way to create a strong ally in an area with significant geopolitical value and constant conflict. This plan unfortunately involved displacing a lot of native people. The local Jews were happy about this plan, but everyone else was pretty mad. So now they've been fighting about it for the past several decades.
The area has shifted from one group to another throughout its history. Truth be told, there were not many people in the region at the time of the Zionist movement to displace. A lot of the region was malaria ridden swampland. The term Palestinian is a fairly recent term. Most of the people we know as Palestinians today are actually people who migrated to the region post the creation of the Israeli state, primarily from Jordan. Most came to the region because of economic opportunities created by the Jewish settlers. They drained the swamps, irrigated the land and brought industry to the region. The per capita GDP of the region has grown considerably since the settlers came to the region. The area known as Palestine is now majority Jewish.
Yes, because the Jews keep stealing Palestine lands. I personally know very wealthy Palestines who had large fortunes in property stolen by the Israeli government “for security reasons” only to be sold off to Jewish land developers and turned into a “settlement”, aka suburbs, within a few years. It is greed and theft in the part of Israel… and, it is evil.
The conflict is about Arabs repeatedly trying to drive Jews into the sea and failing every single time. Not only they fail but end up losing territory as a result. Arabs refusal to compromise and their futile attempt to use war and terrorism have only resulted in their misery for a very long time.
At the 1945 Yalta Conference the allies decided to complete the German Nazi Holocaust by cleansing Europe of remaining living Jews. Millions of Jews were deported to Palestine ine and had to fend for themselves by lying and stealing Palestine from the indigenous, historic residents. In 2023 the situation is dire. Europe has to withdrawal it's Jews and fully restore and re-populate former Jewish areas of Paris, Brussels, Vilna, Zurich, Warsaw, Kiev, Rome, Berlin, etc.
You should by example and leave America to its native population and head back to Europe. The same should happen in Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and on and on. So what do you say?
The Palestinians have been gone from Palestine for a few decades and so have no right of return.
The Euro Jews think they have been gone for 2,000 years and so have an eternal right of return
The Palestinians have had opportunities to have homeland where the refugees could return to and would have been compensated. Only a limited amount would have been allowed to return to Israel.
The West Bank is part of Jewish historic lands but in a compromise Jews won't likely be able to return to large areas where their ancestors lived either in the what becomes a Palestinian homeland.
Israel's population is far from being solely Euro Jews.
The Palestinians could have control of immigration into their state. Israel could have control of immigration into they allow into their state.
1. Palestinians have the right to return to their homeland per UN Resolution and international law. None have been allowed to do so.
2. Jewish historic land? A land that was less than 5% Jewish pre Zionism. Wouldn't the land by historic Palestinian land since they were 95% of the people living there for centurie.
3. Zionism was a strictly Euro creation. Every PM of Israel has been Euro. Euro Jews run Israel.
You should by example and leave America to its native population and head back to Europe. The same should happen in Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and on and on. So what do you say?
Using the horrific crimes and genocides of the 19th century to defend the horrific ongoing genocide in Palestine. The anti logic of the Zio dupe
They are the same but cant see it. They were conquered by Babylon and persia and were divided and scattered. They made a north and south kingdom and those ended. Recently they came back. There was a remnant there before state of Israel. Both are Israel in the past but forgot. They are 2 fighting brothers. 1000 years ago the Arabs conquered Jerusalem and have a belief they have always owned it...a lie.
The Palestinians have had opportunities to have homeland where the refugees could return to and would have been compensated. Only a limited amount would have been allowed to return to Israel.
The West Bank is part of Jewish historic lands but in a compromise Jews won't likely be able to return to large areas where their ancestors lived either in the what becomes a Palestinian homeland.
Israel's population is far from being solely Euro Jews.
The Palestinians could have control of immigration into their state. Israel could have control of immigration into they allow into their state.
1. Palestinians have the right to return to their homeland per UN Resolution and international law. None have been allowed to do so.
2. Jewish historic land? A land that was less than 5% Jewish pre Zionism. Wouldn't the land by historic Palestinian land since they were 95% of the people living there for centurie.
3. Zionism was a strictly Euro creation. Every PM of Israel has been Euro. Euro Jews run Israel.
the most important resolution is 242 and it calls for a just resolution to the refugees. You may be referring to 194 that was passed by the general assembly which means it is not legally binding. it is more of a recommendation. and 194 says should. It does not say must.
if you want to resolution to the conflict one must seek a just resolution to the refugees, not sit on your hands and think refugees have a legal right to return.
there were Jewish communities destroyed in the war of independence or nakba to Palestinians on the West Bank and in Gaza. the West Bank was part of ancient Israelite kingdoms and are referred to some in Israel as Judea and Samaria. Mostly the religious folks but some others too believe the land should be part of Israel based on historical, religious, and security grounds. the settlers are partially motivated by this and some of the religious one care more about the biblical reasons to move to the West Bank than Israel’s well being.
there were about the same number of Jewish refugees as there were Palestinian refugees who we’re forced out or who left Arab lands to go to a Jewish homeland. there was both a push and pull.
it is reasonable to me to let each county determine who is allowed to immigrate into their country.
I want to end the occupation and want the Palestinians to have a country. The best way to do that is look to unite people not push for demands that are not legally binding and never going to be fulfilled.
It'll take the entire Euro, Russia, North Africa, Iran, Iraq, etc. region of nations and Palestine to solve this. It's not simply a 2-way dispute. This atrocity was started in 1945 when the Yalta Conference decided to forcibly round up Holocaust surviving Jews and exile to British Mandate Palestine. Today the 100s nations have to identify by perhaps DNA the descendants, allocate cities and nice housing and return those they threw out. Palestine can then do the same for 10-20 million Arabs forced into concentration camps, gulags, and prisons by the United States in 1948 Nakba.
1. Palestinians have the right to return to their homeland per UN Resolution and international law. None have been allowed to do so.
2. Jewish historic land? A land that was less than 5% Jewish pre Zionism. Wouldn't the land by historic Palestinian land since they were 95% of the people living there for centurie.
3. Zionism was a strictly Euro creation. Every PM of Israel has been Euro. Euro Jews run Israel.
the most important resolution is 242 and it calls for a just resolution to the refugees. You may be referring to 194 that was passed by the general assembly which means it is not legally binding. it is more of a recommendation. and 194 says should. It does not say must.
if you want to resolution to the conflict one must seek a just resolution to the refugees, not sit on your hands and think refugees have a legal right to return.
there were Jewish communities destroyed in the war of independence or nakba to Palestinians on the West Bank and in Gaza. the West Bank was part of ancient Israelite kingdoms and are referred to some in Israel as Judea and Samaria. Mostly the religious folks but some others too believe the land should be part of Israel based on historical, religious, and security grounds. the settlers are partially motivated by this and some of the religious one care more about the biblical reasons to move to the West Bank than Israel’s well being.
there were about the same number of Jewish refugees as there were Palestinian refugees who we’re forced out or who left Arab lands to go to a Jewish homeland. there was both a push and pull.
it is reasonable to me to let each county determine who is allowed to immigrate into their country.
I want to end the occupation and want the Palestinians to have a country. The best way to do that is look to unite people not push for demands that are not legally binding and never going to be fulfilled.
Nonsense. Jewish communities destroyed in the Nakba? As many Jewish refugees as Palestinian refugees? An alleged kingdom from 2,000 years ago as an excuse for this?