Challenged by a 3rd-Degree Female Blackbelt in Shotokan karate

It's a lose-lose situation for you. How would you feel after beating up a woman? You're already a loser for even considering it. Fight a woman? This is really stupid.

One of the biggest misconceptions about martial arts is that they can make up for dramatic differences in physical prowess. Sadly, this is not the case (sorry cross country runners). What you see in kung fu flicks is not based on reality. If you are roughly twice this womans weight and nearly a foot taller and athletic as you claim to be, you should be able to handle yourself. She'll most likely attack your solarplexes, nose, instep and groin. Protect these areas and with one or two good strikes and some grappling as suggested earlier and you shouldn't have a problem. Karate is terrible for overcoming height and weight differences (you proabably have a huge reach advantage) judo would be much better in a circumstance like this one.

To get her dans, she had to fight guys since she was the highest ranking female at her dojo. She is registered with the JKA and claims to have trained in Japan for a number of years.

Lose Lose wrote:

It's a lose-lose situation for you. How would you feel after beating up a woman? You're already a loser for even considering it. Fight a woman? This is really stupid.

To get her dans, she had to fight guys since she was the highest ranking female at her dojo. She is registered with the JKA and claims to have trained in Japan for a number of years. Granted, all of these guys were likely Japanese, and probably not as big as I am.

For the fact that she is a 3rd dan, I hold her to higher standards than a normal woman and assume its okay to fight her.

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I'm 5'9 and 175. I have some training. If she lives in the hampton roads, VA area I'll fight her for you. I guarentee that I'll break her face.

You are such an idiot. Size matters some, but it ain't all that. I doubt you have any hand-to-hand combat or fighting experience so even if you can "win", you're going to walk away very injured. I boxed for 7 years and I can tell you that tenacity and toughness ARE NOT enough to win a fight. You need to know what you're doing. I have also been in several bar fights. Again, tenacity and toughness are NOT enough. You need to know how to react when the shit hits the fan. Probably upwards of 85% of the population does not.

I think you should let us all know how it goes. I'm betting you'll get your shit f***ed up much worse than you'd like to admit. Good luck, in any event.

misogynist mike wrote:

I'm 5'9 and 175. I have some training. If she lives in the hampton roads, VA area I'll fight her for you. I guarentee that I'll break her face.

Ha ha ha- that's some funny shit!

I used to wrestle some of the shot putters back when I was in college. They were twice my size at least yet I was able to neutralize them. It is all a matter of technique. If she is a 3rd dan she has mastered the technique. Of course just because you know the technique doesn’t mean you will apply it when in a fight. I believe all martial arts can be very effective if trained properly. The problem is many instructors do not put their students in realistic fight situations. First of all, no one on the street is going to strike at you like they would in a sparring match or in class. They are more likely to stand and fight like a boxer, using jabs and punching hard only when up close. This means that many of the karate combinations are useless against an attack. If you stand and fight like a boxer you will be in a much better position to win the fight than if you go crazy and start swinging. If I was her I would be waiting for you do go out swinging. This gives her the opportunity to use some of her techniques on you because you will have opened yourself up and she can now move to the side of you and strike you wherever she wants to. Best to keep your strikes short and not walk into her strikes. She will be waiting for you to walk into her. Karate is known by many to be an art of self defense. The more you attack her the more you open yourself up to having her use what she has learned on you. Karate is not really an attacking art. In fact the less you attack and the more you wait to attack the more weapons you take away from her. She will not know what to do if you don't attack, since most of her techniques require being attacked first. Karate is very effective at defending against an attacker and then incapacitating them. It is not designed to be a good attacking art.

Many instructors also forget to tell their students that many of the kicks they practice are just that for practice. Very rarely would anyone actually expect you to use a high kick in an actual street fight. Anyone who knows what they are doing would know better. If your opponent starts throwing high kicks toward your chest or your head, I would say they don't know what they are doing and you are about to kick their but. In most attacks a good martial artist will only kick from the waste down. It is too easy to have someone grab your leg and throw you on the ground if you kick high. I would personally only kick high once I knew I had an advantage. This opportunity usually only presents itself when your opponent either has their back turned to you, or when you have slightly incapacitated them from a previous blow. Of course if your opponent is fisicaly able to throw a good spin kick they make kick you higher. This is a very difficult kick to pull off, but it is also very hard to defend against. You rarely see it coming, and it comes at you very fast, and with a lot of force.

Most practitioners of Shotokan karate don't know how to grapple. There are some Shotakan instructors who do teach it though, especially past first dan. I would find out if she knows it or not. If she does she will be a much more effective fighter to say the least.

Why are martial arts people such freaks?

A bunch of mystical talk about respecting the opponent and perfecting a physical art form ... breaks down into "smash her face" and comic book fantasies about flying spin kicks.

Go for a nice long run and try to let go of the weird, violent energy that's pervaded your mind.

I was with your until you spelled physical as "fisical." No, I'm kidding; I lost interest after you recapped a bunch of other posts without adding anything new.

Boxing is a horrible method of defense in street fighting. It barely offers any advantage unless you can take someone out instantly. Being tough and tenacious is huge, many people back off when you pop them, but it's the dude that gets pissed when you ring his bell, and then charges, that will cause issue.

You know as well as I that clean knockouts do not happen, sure, you can knock a guy down or back, but once that adrenaline kicks in and he shakes it off and turns it into a grapple your boxing skills are useless.

Now if you were a wrestler that is a different story.

I would take a decent high school wrestler, with a mean streak and just a little street fighting experience, over a National ranked or pro boxer any day of the week.(and 4-5 street fights are not going to give any boxer the skill to take on a wrestler with a handful of fights)

And against martial artists? Shoot, the typical MA does not even rank.

The number one factor in this is how do you react when you are hit. If you get pissed and don't freeze, then it's on, and the stronger and meaner will win, not the boxing or MA specialist.

iloverunning wrote:

lol just bring a gun with 12 bullets; there is no way you can miss that many times. Even if she's a 12th degree black belt w/e, shooting, even if you have never shot a fun b4 will be the easiest thing to do.

You've obviously never seen "The Adventures of Remo Williams."

mplatt wrote:

Boxing is a horrible method of defense in street fighting.

Wrong. This is the one-dimensional boxer myth. That is to say, a guy who knows how to box forgets everything else and is therefore somehow worse off than someone who has no experience at all. Boxing teaches you how to throw punches, move, take a punch, and gets you in excellent cardio condition. Why don't you take a couple months of boxing training and then come back.

You may be right that a wrestler would beat a boxer 1 on 1. But in a bar fight, would you really want to go to the ground?

Two of my good friends are frequent fighters. One does muy thai, boxing, and BJJ; the other does just boxing. Both are pretty badass in fights. Of course, I'd take the boxer to the ground -- if he didn't knock me out first.

Sorry slappy, you are wrong. Wrestling is the organized art of fighting dirty with a few rules to keep if from getting really dirty. More than any other sport, wrestlers know how to endure and inflict pain.

When ultimate fighting first came out the UF pansies were pitted against NCAA wrestlers in the SAME weight class that had no UF experience. The wrestlers beat the snot out of them and all the pu$$y stuff the UF girlies did when being held was just an annoyance prior to the wrestlers pounding the UF chicks into submission.

Platt knows what he is talking about. He is a 13:52 5000m guy, a former wrestler, and former boxer.

I wrestled in high school. I've boxed for a while. I've watched ultimate fighting. You aren't telling me anything new except for giving me some guy's PR. He'd obviously beat that 110lb girl to shreds.

Hey...shut up,

You say I lost you, but apparently not if you made it all the way down my post to the word physical. Sorry about the misspell.

To all those wrestler lovers,

Wrestlers are definitely bad ass, but it is basically just grappling without hitting. Wresters can put you in some painful positions, and although they are potentially able to break your arm, they are not trained to like a grappler. Small difference, but I think it is an important one.

And you did nothing but contradict yourself and say that you would resort to wrestling (TWICE).

"You may be right that a wrestler would beat a boxer 1 on 1. But in a bar fight, would you really want to go to the ground?"

so in a bar fight it's always the entire bar populace against the wrestler who's winning or does the guy whose losing always have his girlfriend bust a bottle over the head of the soon to be victor if his monstrous friend suddenly shows up, picks up the wrestler by the pants and shirt, and runs him head first into the jukebox?

blah-blah-blah-blah.... "Of course, I'd take the boxer to the ground"...blah-blah.

the only thing you established is that your Brokeback Mountain buddies are tougher than you and routinely make you air tight.

anyone who has been in a bar fight knows that it's no good to go to the ground