easy if he trains wrote: Too many of you are letting you dislike of Rojo cloud your judgement regarding how fast he can run.
So you admit that we dislike him
How can that poster “admit” the feeling of other people who he does not know? It is not logical. I do not dislike Rojo but maybe 1/10 posts of his I dislike. Big deal. I think most of us are able to separate any feelings we have for Rojo the person from an assessment of the task he has boldly proclaimed is ahead of him.
How can that poster “admit” the feeling of other people who he does not know? It is not logical. I do not dislike Rojo but maybe 1/10 posts of his I dislike. Big deal. I think most of us are able to separate any feelings we have for Rojo the person from an assessment of the task he has boldly proclaimed is ahead of him.
My lifetime best at age 30 was only 2:51. I ran 2:59 last year at age 46. I think he is about my age, isn't he? If Rojo has run 2:30 he will have NO problem going under 3:00 if he does a little training.
I don't get all the down votes. I thought he ran 2:30; he actually ran 2:23:11 and 1:07:10. Rojo ran 28 minutes faster at his best than I did at my best and only 5 minutes slower than Wejo's PR. Heck, he ran faster than 99% of the people on this board. I'm 17 years older and about seven pounds over what I was when I ran my best and have only slowed about 8 minutes. Nobody is saying he can run a 3:00 tomorrow but if he did some training he would have no trouble. If he takes it seriously and targets a fall marathon one year from now, I can see him going under 2:50. Too many of you are letting you dislike of Rojo cloud your judgement regarding how fast he can run.
You have the answer already in your name: easy IF he trains.
Rojo will not train, he is too lazy. He probably hasn't done anything in the last 20 years. That is his biggest problem. Others will run a sub 3 Marathon after 50 because they are training their a s s es off. But not Rojo.
I don't get all the down votes. I thought he ran 2:30; he actually ran 2:23:11 and 1:07:10. Rojo ran 28 minutes faster at his best than I did at my best and only 5 minutes slower than Wejo's PR. Heck, he ran faster than 99% of the people on this board. I'm 17 years older and about seven pounds over what I was when I ran my best and have only slowed about 8 minutes. Nobody is saying he can run a 3:00 tomorrow but if he did some training he would have no trouble. If he takes it seriously and targets a fall marathon one year from now, I can see him going under 2:50. Too many of you are letting you dislike of Rojo cloud your judgement regarding how fast he can run.
You have the answer already in your name: easy IF he trains.
Rojo will not train, he is too lazy. He probably hasn't done anything in the last 20 years. That is his biggest problem. Others will run a sub 3 Marathon after 50 because they are training their a s s es off. But not Rojo.
This is why we dislike him. Bc he says things like “I CAN RUN SUB 3” even though he never will Becuase of how f*cking lazy he is
You have the answer already in your name: easy IF he trains.
Rojo will not train, he is too lazy. He probably hasn't done anything in the last 20 years. That is his biggest problem. Others will run a sub 3 Marathon after 50 because they are training their a s s es off. But not Rojo.
This is why we dislike him. Bc he says things like “I CAN RUN SUB 3” even though he never will Becuase of how f*cking lazy he is
Any chance you are Rojo? That would be epic trolling.
You’ve also put up over 10,000 posts here and nothing more insightful than navel gazing. Goofball Greg is trying to catch up with that volume for pathetic waste! Take the next year off, you’ve earned it.
Is it that many? Would be interesting to know who has the most posts in LR history. I doubt it's me.
You’ve also put up over 10,000 posts here and nothing more insightful than navel gazing. Goofball Greg is trying to catch up with that volume for pathetic waste! Take the next year off, you’ve earned it.
I think the last insightful post on LR was around 2012. LR jumped the shark a decade ago. It has long since realized that 'track talk' does little to increase page views.
obviously has the talent, but 5 big trips around the sun is a thing, will be hard, probably require a 1-2 yr buildup imho, and not getting injured all the time and like ~50 mpw
all these things are hard at 5-0
Eh...is 50 much different than 45?
I feel like I could do a sub 3 in about 6mo.
I run about 20mi a week all around 7:30-45 pace. A few workouts here and there. 3x week lifting. 5'6" 185lb.
I think within 6mo I could easily drop 20lb.
I don't think Rojo is in any less running shape than I am.
Alan
My experience is that no, it is not that different. I am just as fast if not faster at 50 than I was at 45.
IF Rojo had to race a mile next week could he break 6? If not then he has an almost Herculean task ahead of him, though not impossible.
I go away for a day and come back on and five 5 pages on me. I'm honored. When I was the 4th guy on my HS team, no one cared. When I won the intramural mile championships at Princeton, no one cared. Now I'm an internet star baby!!!
So many posts in this thread have made me laugh like these two:
Running Cult Member wrote: We're gonna need a new GOAT shirt. Just change the time to whatever RobJohn runs and tack on a dad gut.
Clicked Bait wrote: I would actually pay a little bit of money to get access to a LRC "Breaking3" project. Chronicle his training. Get him some super shoes. Have a pace car like Kipchoge's but with flashlights on it instead of lasers. It would be comedy gold. And it would also be really interesting to see if a talented 50 year-old could get back into shape after years of no serious running.
Anyway. Jonathan Gault and I talked about sub-3 at least a year or two ago on a podcast. He said I'd never do it so I've kind of had it in my mind I should wait until I'm 50 to try it. It isn't going to be easy as I'm in horrible shape. I'll post about that in another post.
Without more information, there's no use debating whether or not Rojo can break 3. Some basic info that we need in order to make predictions:
1. When will this marathon be run?
2. What does Rojo's current training look like?
3. How far over his 2:2X marathon race weight is he?
4. What is the marathon course like (hilly, flat, at altitude)?
IMO a lot of folks on here posting that Rojo will have no problem breaking 3 because he is talented and they know someone who is over 50 that has run under 3 hours, have not had to get back in shape at 50+ to do this themselves. Losing the weight, building up your long run, and getting tough quality runs in after years off of real training is a whole different ballgame. The body just doesn't respond the same and the pounds don't fall off the way that they do when you're in your 20s .
Ok. Let me answer some questions like thost above and give you some background on everything.
1) The marathon can be whenever I want. Before I die, I need to break 3:00.
2) I'll get to that in the body of this email.
3) I"m not sure exactly. I bet I weigh180. I'll weigh myself tmw. Back in the day, I weigh dabout 147 walking around and hten like 142-3 if I did a long run or something.
4) Course can be whatever the hell I want it to be. If I do it, Ithink I want to get a marathon to sponsor me - maybe I should pick Valencia to stick it to the WMMs - and shoe.
The problem is I haven't been running.
Here is what I can tell you about my running. At the start of 2020, I was in the worse shape ever and hadn't been running. The problem is I always get hurt. I'll run for a few weeks and then my calf or soleus will pop and I'll stop. Plus my left hamstring and right achilles (which is the one I had surgery on) always seem to feel like they did when I was running 120mpw even if I'm doing 12 mpw which I'm not even doing.
So I wasn't running at all. II started by going to Orange Theory treadmill classes where you run for 20 minutes or so and do core for 20 minutes and rowing fo 20 as my buddy Chris Lear said i needed to get the rest ofmy body stronger before trying to run.
To give you how out of shape I was, they had me do a 12 minute challenge on the treadmille on February 26, 2020 and I ran 1.77 miles in 12 minutes. Was that 100%? No as I was scared to race on a treadmill so I was a little cautious at first but it was damn hard.
Then Covid came and I had to run outside. My god I was used to the bounce of the treadmill. It was awful. Like 9-10 minute miles were a struggle. But I'd basically run maybe once during the week and then go 'long on the weekend'. Every weekend I'd try to run longer than I had the week before, with each mile faster than the mile before. So I"d start at like 12 minute pace and run 5 miles and sometimes would jam the last mile at sub-7. I built up to like 5 miles, then 6, I think I might hav gotten up to 7.
The my wife's charity had a virtual 5k. So I started training for that. I wanted to break 7 minute pace. I did some track workouts. John Kellogg timed me. I went super hard. Ran it on a track. My pulse got up close to 200 and I surprsied myself and ran like 21:0something in August of 2020. VERY HARD.
Since then I've had all sorts of problems. Knee? Calf, etc. I've basically stopped running. Recently my right achilles has been hurting and I haven't even been running which seems weird to me.
Orange theory says I've gone 3 times in the last 45 days. In general, I'd say I try to go there once a week and ru nonce a week but I haven't done that of late. I'd guess I've run twice outside during that time - maybe 3 times. I don't really record this stuff but I guess it's on my phone ,somehwere. Ok, I found some of it it. 2.6 miles on October 2nd in 27:03. 4 miles on August 8 in 40:03 (there were others). The most impressive thing on here is 5 miles in 42:40 on July 18
But i've done hardly anything of late. I think I need at least 6 months just to build up to like 30 mpw. See if I can train.
About a year ago, I saw someone link to three or 4 physical therapists. Gues in their 20s or 30s. They have had podcast that the also put up on youtube. One of them was talking about how the super shoes might hurt your soleus. Does anyone know the name of these guys? I'd like to see someone and get some strengthening exercises before I start to train as it's no fun to train if you are hurting and slow.
So give me the name of their show or give me the name of someone on the East Coast who can film me, talk to me and figure out my weak parts so I don't have the same problems I had 25 years ago when I couldn't stay healthy.
About a year ago, I saw someone link to three or 4 physical therapists. Gues in their 20s or 30s. They have had podcast that the also put up on youtube. One of them was talking about how the super shoes might hurt your soleus. Does anyone know the name of these guys?
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