No, 4:51.4, as I have written. So, shoes, tracks, training havn't improved the last 46 years?
4.51? What distance are you talking about? And run by whom?
Shoes and tracks have improved in the last half century but will not have made the kind of difference that you suggest. The improvements achieved in training since the 70's are largely the result of doping, which enables athletes to train harder.
This problem seems unsolvable. 10000m? 110mH? 5 times Ironman? When John Walker is the subject...
You have proved many times on this board not to be very bright, but this is more than I expected.
4.51? What distance are you talking about? And run by whom?
Shoes and tracks have improved in the last half century but will not have made the kind of difference that you suggest. The improvements achieved in training since the 70's are largely the result of doping, which enables athletes to train harder.
You are calling others ignorant? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. You don’t know anything. The rest of us know what the 4:51 refers to…hahahahahahahha.
Your finger appears to be stuck on your pad. I thought we were discussing an 800m performance, not some reference to Walker's 2000m record. And, no, - tracks, shoes and training haven't improved it by 4-5 seconds - to what Jakob runs. But doping could have.
4.51? What distance are you talking about? And run by whom?
Shoes and tracks have improved in the last half century but will not have made the kind of difference that you suggest. The improvements achieved in training since the 70's are largely the result of doping, which enables athletes to train harder.
This problem seems unsolvable. 10000m? 110mH? 5 times Ironman? When John Walker is the subject...
You have proved many times on this board not to be very bright, but this is more than I expected.
We weren't discussing John Walker. But as you aren't so bright yourself you didn't seem to realise that.
Still trying, I see, from the thread where you were deleted. He wasn't Lasse Viren or an E Bloc athlete in '76 so I guess probably not.
4:51.4 in 76 is worth around 4:46/4:47 today. You would accuse any African who runs that fast to be a doper, because his performance is too good.
in 76 only Lasse Viren and E Bloc athletes doped?
Armstrong I am going to take it easy on you. I think you may have dementia. I will not mock you for this. You should get assessed as it seems your mind is failing. Please at least get looked at. This could also explain your anger and lashing out…my condolences.
This problem seems unsolvable. 10000m? 110mH? 5 times Ironman? When John Walker is the subject...
You have proved many times on this board not to be very bright, but this is more than I expected.
We weren't discussing John Walker. But as you aren't so bright yourself you didn't seem to realise that.
I have asked you about John Walker.
You would call any African runner running today a similar time to John Walker's 4:51.4 over 2000m from 1976 to be a doper. Same for Peter Snell's 1:44.3 (can you find which distance without mentioning it?) from 1962 on a grass track.
Niels Laros is 16 jaar en dit seizoen de snelste van Europa onder de 18 jaar op 1500 meter. Wereldwijd staat hij op plek vier. Deze zomer staat hij ook aan de start van de Europese Kampioenschappen onder 18 jaar in Franconvil...
4:51.4 in 76 is worth around 4:46/4:47 today. You would accuse any African who runs that fast to be a doper, because his performance is too good.
in 76 only Lasse Viren and E Bloc athletes doped?
Armstrong I am going to take it easy on you. I think you may have dementia. I will not mock you for this. You should get assessed as it seems your mind is failing. Please at least get looked at. This could also explain your anger and lashing out…my condolences.
A weak personal insult is reassuring. It tells me you have nothing to offer.
Armstrong I am going to take it easy on you. I think you may have dementia. I will not mock you for this. You should get assessed as it seems your mind is failing. Please at least get looked at. This could also explain your anger and lashing out…my condolences.
A weak personal insult is reassuring. It tells me you have nothing to offer.
A weak personal insult? Something you have never done and never ever would do, correct?
We weren't discussing John Walker. But as you aren't so bright yourself you didn't seem to realise that.
I have asked you about John Walker.
You would call any African runner running today a similar time to John Walker's 4:51.4 over 2000m from 1976 to be a doper. Same for Peter Snell's 1:44.3 (can you find which distance without mentioning it?) from 1962 on a grass track.
Doping in md and distance running was virtually non-existent in the early '60's. There was no EPO and blood doping was not known to occur in sports till the late '60's. It was mainly then believed to be skiers. The practice wasn't banned until the '80's. In the '70's Viren was rumoured to blood dope. We also know that doping in one form or another was state-sponsored in the E Bloc in that era. So, in answer to your question, the chances of Snell doping were virtually zero and in Walker's case in '76 it was unlikely. There have been no rumours about him.
By the '90's doping was rampant in all sports and was estimated to be up to 80% of athletes in many sports at the '96 Olympics. At the time, there was no test for EPO - which had been around since the late '80's.
My view is that doping has since become endemic and no athlete can now get to the top without it. So stand-out athletes today - of any nationality and not just Africa - are almost certainly on it.
You would call any African runner running today a similar time to John Walker's 4:51.4 over 2000m from 1976 to be a doper. Same for Peter Snell's 1:44.3 (can you find which distance without mentioning it?) from 1962 on a grass track.
Doping in md and distance running was virtually non-existent in the early '60's. There was no EPO and blood doping was not known to occur in sports till the late '60's. It was mainly then believed to be skiers. The practice wasn't banned until the '80's. In the '70's Viren was rumoured to blood dope. We also know that doping in one form or another was state-sponsored in the E Bloc in that era. So, in answer to your question, the chances of Snell doping were virtually zero and in Walker's case in '76 it was unlikely. There have been no rumours about him.
By the '90's doping was rampant in all sports and was estimated to be up to 80% of athletes in many sports at the '96 Olympics. At the time, there was no test for EPO - which had been around since the late '80's.
My view is that doping has since become endemic and no athlete can now get to the top without it. So stand-out athletes today - of any nationality and not just Africa - are almost certainly on it.
So, if someone could run 1:44.3 on grass 60 years ago clean and someone else could run 4:51.4 46 years ago clean, then clearly all the times from El G, Bekele, Cheptegei, Gidey, Hassan, Kipyegon and so on also could be achieved clean. Stop calling any fast runner to be a doper without a positive test.
