Runner10287 wrote:
Read Bowerman and the Men of Oregon next kid. His antics in the sauna and shower will really trigger you.
After reading it there's no way I can think of Bowerman as being anything but a tool for the shower incident and other things, and a charlatan for taking credit for Dellinger's training of Prefontaine.
jcaweiioj fd; wrote:
Weight is definitely a tricky issue for a coach (in any era). The hard fact is that, all else being equal, lighter is faster. The hard part is keeping everything else equal. You want to be as light as possible while maintaining relevant muscular power and your body's ability to recover and repair itself (to advance fitness and avoid injury). In other words, weight is important, but it is part of a bigger picture.
I think a lot of coaches either only talk to their athletes about weight and not the muscular, fueling and recovery issues that can come with calorie restriction (as many anecdotes in this thread show) or they don't touch on it at all. Just indicating to driven athletes that they will perform better if they lose weight will inevitably lead some to destructive behavior and eating disorders. Not mentioning it at all fails to address a component of having athletes perform better and reach their potential.
I've encountered a few coaches (I'm sure there are more) that do talk about the issue with their athletes comprehensively. They make sure their athletes know and understand that unnecessary weight hinders performance, but they also stress the importance of fueling properly for runs and recovery. They stress that their athletes should eat plenty of nutrient-dense foods, especially vegetables, but get plenty of healthy fats, protein and quality carbs as well. If you eat enough of these things, you'll be well-fueled, and actually won't still be hungry and are unlikely to fill up on calorie-dense junk. Their message in the end is that a nutrient-dense diet and an appropriately hard training program will lead your body to a lean, healthy and sustainable weight, which in turn leads to good long-term growth and performance.
Absolutely spot on.
RomexKipruto wrote:
8minpace wrote:
Another huge takeaway was the team’s blatant prejudice toward Kenyans. The way white Americans saw foreign NCAA competitors is not unlike the mindset/lens of former President Trump.
i read RWTB after listening to a few episodes of jay johnson's podcast and the contrast of his affable dad persona in the podcast with his yelling about "foreigners" in the book is pretty damn funny.
Well he was a 21 or 22 year old college kid in the book. I’m going to assume he’s matured and grown up since.
Weightrodamus wrote:
Body weight matters a ton. More than training load in some respects. But any fat shaming in front of team is out of bounds as are comments to an athlete individually that are not based in factual data such as derisive comments to an athlete about being fat. Weighing athletes in front of their training group is NOT acceptable EVER. Shouting at these athletes in front of their training group after such weigh ins is NEVER acceptable. Telling athletes in front of their training partners to abstain from using birth control so as to keep weight down is a MAJOR HIPPA violation and violation of Safe Sport. Yet these are common at one major program that is finally under investigation and perhaps an end can be taken towards such practices and those who committed it and were complicit in it when athletes spoke up and were ignored or compliance buried the complaints. Tick tick. Times about up…….
Please email us the name of the school.
robert@letsrun.comLol oh Rojo
Weightrodamus wrote:
Body weight matters a ton. More than training load in some respects. But any fat shaming in front of team is out of bounds as are comments to an athlete individually that are not based in factual data such as derisive comments to an athlete about being fat. Weighing athletes in front of their training group is NOT acceptable EVER. Shouting at these athletes in front of their training group after such weigh ins is NEVER acceptable. Telling athletes in front of their training partners to abstain from using birth control so as to keep weight down is a MAJOR HIPPA violation and violation of Safe Sport. Yet these are common at one major program that is finally under investigation and perhaps an end can be taken towards such practices and those who committed it and were complicit in it when athletes spoke up and were ignored or compliance buried the complaints. Tick tick. Times about up…….
Not going to weigh in on any of this except…HIPPA does not apply outside the health care environment. Privacy policy for the school may apply, but there is no nexus between a college coach and HIPPA unless he/she is licensed and acting as a medical professional.
8minpace wrote:
Another huge takeaway was the team’s blatant prejudice toward Kenyans. The way white Americans saw foreign NCAA competitors is not unlike the mindset/lens of former President Trump.
so you're saying the white americans thought foreign NCAA competitors shouldn't be ILLEGAL immigrants?
what is this mindset/lens of Trump you are referring to.
lol
rojo wrote:
Weightrodamus wrote:
Body weight matters a ton. More than training load in some respects. But any fat shaming in front of team is out of bounds as are comments to an athlete individually that are not based in factual data such as derisive comments to an athlete about being fat. Weighing athletes in front of their training group is NOT acceptable EVER. Shouting at these athletes in front of their training group after such weigh ins is NEVER acceptable. Telling athletes in front of their training partners to abstain from using birth control so as to keep weight down is a MAJOR HIPPA violation and violation of Safe Sport. Yet these are common at one major program that is finally under investigation and perhaps an end can be taken towards such practices and those who committed it and were complicit in it when athletes spoke up and were ignored or compliance buried the complaints. Tick tick. Times about up…….
Please email us the name of the school.
robert@letsrun.com
This sounds like a lot of universities. If the NCAA ever cared it would dive into this and suspend all coaches going at this issue all wrong. Athletes know they need to be light, they don’t need bad coaches shaming them. So many bad college coaches out there just phoning it in and don’t know how to coach and care about their athletes.
Nike $$ wrote:
You realize those comments were made in 1998. He may have changed his views just a little. Stop trying to stir up crap that's not there. Alberto got in trouble for a lot more then "weight comments" and his were a hell of a lot more recent. Alberto is also a lot more higher profile then Wetmore. Get a life.
They both sodomise people. That’s of more concern. They’ll burn in hell for their sodomy. Oh, GFY Unkle.