World juniors insane 800 m, Wanyoni 1:43.76, Al Gouaned 1:44.45, Kibet 1:44.88

Shocking how lousy those Kenya Secondary School results are outside of the longer distances. Even the 800m results are unimpressive. Most American counties have better performances across the board from 100-400 girls and boys, and the American hs nationals results are far better at 800m. I won't judge about the longer distances because of altitude effects (9:29 ish for Rengeruk for 3000m, for instance, looks pretty good at sea level).

El Keniano wrote:

Again, this is a thread about a high schooler running 1:43 at altitude. Mods should delete Armstronglivs' posts from this thread because his MO of hijacking threads about Kenyan runners is tired and boring.

Would you like to suppress the Economist article about Kenyan doping as well?

too obvious wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You haven't really been keeping up with the debate, have you. Try reading the Economist article, that puts Kenya second only to Russia for doping bans.

Changing the words from others to support the own point is a terrible behaviour. Not surprising for a character like yours.

Many doping bans in Kenya - and now?

They are now. The article was published this month. It puts Kenya as the worst doping offender after Russia. And you fan boys just keep ignoring it, hoping it will go away. Kenyan achievement in running is clearly on the back of drugs.

Armstronglivs wrote:

They are now. The article was published this month. It puts Kenya as the worst doping offender after Russia. And you fan boys just keep ignoring it, hoping it will go away. Kenyan achievement in running is clearly on the back of drugs.

Check out the number of Kenyan busts per year from 2016 to 2021 and tell me there isn't a sharp downward trend that clearly indicates Kenya has largely managed to weed out the cheaters. How many busts in 2021 vs previous years? Any names of note or are we still making a big fuss about the #137th ranked marathoner again because, hey, he's Kenyan? This is on the back of Kenyan elites now being subjected to more tests than any other athletes in the world, so the old excuse of 'inadequate testing' in Kenya doesn't fly anymore. So why hasn't Kenyan dominance been affected by the increased testing? So many questions.

xczvzxcv wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Just a sample, and an extremely unpleasant one at that. But enough for me to make a statistical inference. And don’t worry. Your little archipelago is, fortunately well tucked away from the rest of the world and has never been on my bucket list. Now, if only we could contain its citizens within.

My bet is that this is all about the Robertsons because one of them dared to tell the truth, namely, that doping has been rife in Kenyan athletics, as evidenced by more than 60 positive cases in recent years.

This may come as a shock to you, but I've never personally run into the Robertsons, though they would only reinforce my opinion if I did. Who stays in a country for half their life and doesn't learn the language or make local friends? Notice they didn't leave to head back home but dug in, establishing even deeper roots. Why? Would you stay in a country you had previously accused being all cheats?

Back to Wanyonyi, quite the compelling story of overcoming rural poverty and dropping out of school. He's gunning for Rudisha's time.

https://allafrica.com/stories/202108090702.html

I'm keeping an eye for the next two years on Meryem Azrour

https://i.ibb.co/3fpNPZ2/MA.jpg

In the final she was betrayed by the endurance which is naturally grown in the East African runner.

She is someone I'm hoping to cut the air of Laura Muir alike runners.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsb1wuyMHuQ

Sorry the right video:

1500m Women final Nairobi 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMEup6BAj2c

The answer to that question is that they aren't catching all the dopers. But that is the same everywhere. Doping remains ahead of testing - and WADA officials acknowledge that.

Doping may be more prevalent in Kenya than many other countries but because it frequently lacks sophistication more of them are being caught now.

Salam Aleykum, Passant:

Insh Allah, nous espérons de très bonnes performances de cette fille Marocaine dans les années à venir car elle paraît très prometteuse. Bravo à votre pays et bravo à votre contribution sur ce site Web avec un grand merci. unissons-nous pour prouver que les maghrébins et maghrébines sont capables de produire de bons résultats sans dopage.

Azrour a un bon chrono en 1500m : 4:14.56 (2019)

Cette année, elle a réalisée 4:17.05 à Rabat.

Elle a remportée les Championnats Arabes en Tunisie (Juin 2021).

Elle doit travailler sur l'endurance, c'est ce qui lui manque.

Habemus video

https://youtu.be/yE_n7s-VXKM

Passant wrote:

Azrour a un bon chrono en 1500m : 4:14.56 (2019)

Cette année, elle a réalisée 4:17.05 à Rabat.

Elle a remportée les Championnats Arabes en Tunisie (Juin 2021).

Elle doit travailler sur l'endurance, c'est ce qui lui manque.

Salam: Shukran jazilan for this information.

El Keniano wrote:

Habemus video

Yes the Algerian made an error here.

I was expecting the East African African to have a high hand on these championships.

Ghost1 wrote:

Salam: Shukran jazilan for this information.

This is Nouhaila Rabbi the other Moroccan that ranked 10 in the final.

I thought that Azrour was older but it's quite the opposite Nouhaila is older of 3 months than Azrour.

We will have a idea of their evolutions next years.

This guy (Wanyonyi) is supposedly 16 years and 21 days old in this photo :

https://www.alamy.com/nairobi-kenya-22nd-aug-2021-emmanuel-wanyonyi-of-kenya-celebrates-after-the-mens-800m-final-at-the-2021-world-athletics-u20-championships-in-nairobi-kenya-aug-22-2021-credit-zhang-yuxinhuaalamy-live-news-image439517126.html

Curious choice of Facebook profile photo header.

https://m.facebook.com/Emmanuel-wanyonyi-104010461252624/

Something tells me this guy isn't clean.

Also, he is coached by Janeth Jepkosgei, who was named in the Fancy Bears hack as likely doping, and whose coach Claudio Berardelli was arrested for administering EPO to Rita Jeptoo. He also took up running as a way out of extreme poverty (he dropped out of primary school in order to feed his family as a herder).

Ghost1 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

If you can trust the genuineness of Kenyan performances these days. I see E Germans all over again. Too good to be true.

I think your sentiments are completely wrong and I think you forgot these kids are juniors and it is highly unlikely or virtually impossible that they are already “onto something” at that early age. These kids from Kenya they’re all in high school still studying. They’re not even at University yet. They’re just kids, with amazing talent and guts and great genetics.

I will say with almost absolute certainty 99.9% that the winner (Wanyoni) and the third placer (Noah Kibet), are as clean as whistles.

I have less knowledge about the Algerian who looked very strong. Probably squeaky clean too.

This type of automatic suspicion about outstanding performances is getting old and sad.

Absolutely ridiculous.

There was a 17 year old Kenyan girl busted quite recently. There was another 17 or 18 year old Kenyan junior star busted before that who then dropped dead at age 20 (of course, as RekRunner adamantly maintains, we cannot make any association between the two things).

This is the world junior championships, not the local school sports day. They might (or might not be) 'kids', but they are being coached by professionals and in some case managed already by Italian or Spanish agents.

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It's also been affected greatly by the lockdowns making it harder for the testers to get to these remote training camps, as well as the lack of races in 2020. Busts are down this year everywhere, but (whatdoyaknow?) times have gone through the roof.