Gymnastic experts, can someone tell me how Simon Biles made 3 major errors but yet had top score in qualifying?

For the record Comaneci herself has pretty high praise for Biles in comparison to other gymnasts, saying her "superiority" is unrivaled, that "nobody else is even close" and that "probably not even a lot of guys can do what she does". So unless you are accusing your beloved Comaneci of engaging in "hyperbole" herself than it seems clear she too thinks her talents are beyond anybody else.

jcaban wrote:

Based on videos I have seen, it is maybe 10 men who have ever competed it. AND, if you watch the videos of them doing it, they often land with their chests down because they are landing it short, meaning they barely have enough power to do it, whereas Simone always lands straight up or even steps back, meaning she has excess power.

This video is a great example of just that:

Why are the neophytes in this thread so obsessed with the landings? That's only a fraction of a the execution score.

Maybe it's the most obvious for the newcomers to evaluate?

Gym tunnel vision wrote:

Why are the neophytes in this thread so obsessed with the landings? That's only a fraction of a the execution score.

Maybe it's the most obvious for the newcomers to evaluate?

The phrase "Sticking the landing" has actually transcended gymnastics into dozens of other activities that are completely unrelated to sports. And traditionally, commentators have made a big deal out of it, before this

"newfangled" scoring system, I guess it was a much bigger deal because they didn't take into account "difficulty" factors. If you botched a landing, dismount, etc., you were toast in most cases.

Rojo, there is an E score and D score in gymnastics. The E score is scored out of 10, like the old days where everyone was scored out of a 10. The D score is values given to each element performed and all those points are added up to create a total D score. Each gymnast has to meet criteria on each event for flipping skills, dance skills like turns and jumps. The D score creates an open scoring system. The D score and the E are a game of risk/reward. If you don't do a skill well you still get deductions which are predetermined. For example a 1m step is worth x deduction and a 3m step is work x deduction. Same for form like bent legs, out of bounds etc. Simone is SO FAR ahead of the field in terms of her D score her bad day skill lands her on top. The other women cannot come close and she has more room for making errors. She has raised the bar for all the other women but they just can't keep up with her. A true GOAT.

Tank AyeRon wrote:

No idea!

I like non-subjective competition. For example: first one to the finish line wins.

As a runner I can totally appreciate the dedication and sacrifice of gymnasts, ice skaters and divers but the judging part of it is what keeps me away from being a fan that follows those disciplines in non Olympic years.

The judging element of D1A college football has always left a little sour taste in my mouth as well; where teams can drop in ranking for winning ugly or not throttling another team by enough points.

Yes her routines are extraordinarily hard compared to others. To put it in perspective her floor routine's opening pass is arguably harder than every single *man* in the men's floor competition. Imagine if a woman could run a 8:00 steeple. She could fall over several barriers and still win. Each tumbling pass could end in a massive step, because they are rated 3 tenths higher than a typical good gymnast. On top of that, her form in the air, with the extreem height she gets, is so good. While others try to perform hard skills like this they look sloppy. The rules from the early 90s and before basically meant no one tried anything quite as daring.

to all the conspiracy theorists, Biles just had a terrible vault in the team final and got a low score.

they just said she is out of the other 3 events today. No explanation.

Harambe wrote:

half tights wrote:

Can someone explain to me why conservative Americans dislike Simon Biles and in many cases are actively rooting against her?

You know the answer. We know the answer. No need to say it out loud.

Disagree. we need to say it loud and we need to do this every time.

she's out. I think she got high on her own supply.

I'm tired wrote:

Hey Kitty Girl wrote:

LOLLLLLLLLLLL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tell me you don't understand gymnastics without telling me you don't understand gymnastics

Right!!! As great as Nadia was her difficulty level was no where near to Simone's. If Simone does Nadia's routine she wouldn't "bobble" either. They just don't get it.

This isn't a fair comparison, back in Nadia's day her difficulty was very high relative to her competitors. It is also important to note that the equipment was totally different. The floor didn't even have springs!!!!

but i thought she was going higher than everyone else? lol

It would be a good thing were the OP to come back and respond to the invaluable contributions made here - explaining the esoteric to the uninitiated. I, for one, am the wiser for it.

Is Simone Biles update?