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^good point. Also why would Rupp jeopardize contacting Salazar in one of the most important races in his life? Seriously Rupp has maxed out what he can learn from Salazar. At 35 Galen most likely runs his own ship and is not so dependent on coaching.
Jonathan Gault wrote:
Just wanted to clarify a couple things:
LetsRun was in no way involved in the private investigation. We did not hire the private investigation firm. We do not know who hired them.
We did not pay for any of the information in this story.
We felt that the fact that someone hired a private investigator to follow around the most prominent American distance runner was newsworthy and that is one of the reasons we wrote the story.
I have knowledge that the Nike people being following have engaged legal . Your staement that you are not involved will be investegated , and the intentions . Following someone around, taking photos of their children is NOT OK . These thing work both ways and the other side also has access to legal .
Jonathan Gault wrote:
Just wanted to clarify a couple things:
LetsRun was in no way involved in the private investigation. We did not hire the private investigation firm. We do not know who hired them.
We did not pay for any of the information in this story.
We felt that the fact that someone hired a private investigator to follow around the most prominent American distance runner was newsworthy and that is one of the reasons we wrote the story.
The reputation of anyone associated with this website is more tainted than any "authentic" Mexican burrito. We have absolutely no reason to believe that you're telling the truth.
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I think Salazar hired the P.I.
So you feel that someone who is only suspected of doping should be put in prison? Geez, so then what should we do to people who are selling pot on the streets? Death row? They are cheating everyone who sells any form of marijuana legally and pays taxes.
Big Red wrote:
Follwing Salazar and Rupp around and sourcing their SS#'s, very creepy -- this is obsessive compulsive f*ckery of the highest order. Whoever hired the investigator, take a look in the mirror. What are you doing with your life?
Whomever it was, needs to be locked up and then sued for every penny they have. If I was the recipient of that kind of activity there would be heel to pay. One way or another.
Any legal experts?
Is it even possible to “legally” find out who hired the PI?
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Big Red wrote:
Follwing Salazar and Rupp around and sourcing their SS#'s, very creepy -- this is obsessive compulsive f*ckery of the highest order. Whoever hired the investigator, take a look in the mirror. What are you doing with your life?
Whomever it was, needs to be locked up and then sued for every penny they have. If I was the recipient of that kind of activity there would be heel to pay. One way or another.
I don't know if there are regulations surrounding PIs, but my impression is that misuse of a SS# is a big no-no (or at least a bigger deal than giving a megadose of vitamins an assistant coach).
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doping NOPers wrote:
Dope talking about doping wrote:
1) Antibiotics sent in a hollowed out book.
2) medical forms that were mis-labeled because he was on "testosterone supplemets"
3) He has hashimoto's disease. How're you going to say that's a bogus prescription?
4) He has never popped for any drug so there is no 100% proof that he is doping. You're just a smooth brain and clearly don't understand percentages or burden of proof.
Show the proof that the drugs suspiciously sent in a hollowed out book were "antibiotics." If so, why the drama?
Show the proof that the official medical forms were incorrect, and that rupp wasn't on testosterone.
Show the proof that rupp is one of the .05% of young males with Hashimoto's.
This is an odd response from someone who said:
“there is more than 100% proof that the convicted doping cheater Salazar is guilty of everything that he has been accused of. There is more than 100% proof that rupp is a doping cheater.”
You “more than 100%” failed to show more than 0% of that evidence, before attempting to reverse the burden.
I have to admire:
- “more than 100%”
- “everything he was ever accused of”
- “proof that (Rupp) is a doping cheater”
With respect to “doping NOPers”, it seems that fans of the sport should have taken great comfort, after 7 years of investigation and litigation, “a wide range of evidence …, including eye-witness proof, testimonies, contemporaneous emails, and patient records … more than 2,000 exhibits, … 30 witnesses and 5,780 pages of transcripts”, when not one single NOP athlete in its entire existence was ever sanctioned for doping.
Swan dive into greatness wrote:
I think Salazar hired the P.I.
More likely Travis T Tygart (Travesty Tygert?), CEO of USADA, hired him. The USADA know very well that this is the most likely time someone like Salazar will not be able to control himself and will risk "secretly chatting" with Rupp before the big show in Tokyo.
Rather than Salazar just say, "Whatever" and shrugging it off. He instead goes on the defensive, and demands to left to do as he pleases. But he is banned, and he has to accept that people of the USADA are going to continue keeping an eye on him until the ban is over.
rekrunner wrote:
With respect to “doping NOPers”, it seems that fans of the sport should have taken great comfort, after 7 years of investigation and litigation, “a wide range of evidence …, including eye-witness proof, testimonies, contemporaneous emails, and patient records … more than 2,000 exhibits, … 30 witnesses and 5,780 pages of transcripts”, when not one single NOP athlete in its entire existence was ever sanctioned for doping.
Salazar fell in his sword for the sake of the team and Nike.
travis t. wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
With respect to “doping NOPers”, it seems that fans of the sport should have taken great comfort, after 7 years of investigation and litigation, “a wide range of evidence …, including eye-witness proof, testimonies, contemporaneous emails, and patient records … more than 2,000 exhibits, … 30 witnesses and 5,780 pages of transcripts”, when not one single NOP athlete in its entire existence was ever sanctioned for doping.
Salazar fell in his sword for the sake of the team and Nike.
Sure, yet for the multiple people he wronged or offended -- the Cains, the Gouchers, the Magnesses of the world -- none had evidence to point past Salazar to the remaining NOP athletes. Investigators got to Armstrong because of the trail of broken relationships he left in his wake. Everyone who gave testimony regarding NOP had nothing that went under, over, or around Salazar. Outside of a state sanctioned program (where secret police can coerce and intimidate), that's an amazing amount of silence regarding any and all of the athletes themselves.
I'm definitely no fan of Salazar or his culture/methods, yet I see it's long past time to stop beating this dead horse. If nobody else was outed for a lack of ability on the part of the investigators, then anything that remains must be due to a lack of will.
Rupp is miraculous. Just imagine how good he would have been if he wasn't a sickly asthmatic who needed 27 TUEs, if he didn't have thyroid disease needing special meds, if he hadn't needed "supplemental" testosterone as a teenager, if he didn't need special drugs that only are available when sent in hollowed out books, if he had a coach who wasn't banned for doping violations. For such sickly weakling with so many obstacles to overcome he sure did end up going fast.
And there is Mo. Look at his story. He did great despite having his coach be banned for doping violations, despite being too deaf to hear the doorbell when anti-doping inspectors arrive, despite the turmoil surrounding his other coach Jama Aden being arrested for doping violations.
Two incredible success stories.
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Big Red wrote:
Follwing Salazar and Rupp around and sourcing their SS#'s, very creepy -- this is obsessive compulsive f*ckery of the highest order. Whoever hired the investigator, take a look in the mirror. What are you doing with your life?
Whomever it was, needs to be locked up and then sued for every penny they have. If I was the recipient of that kind of activity there would be heel to pay. One way or another.
Locked up? Sued? On what grounds? Harassment? Read the Infeld story to see how hard that is. Invasion of privacy? As long as the PI stays in "public places" and doesn't trespass or break-in, they aren't invading privacy. (And remember, there's no law against them lying when talking to friends and neighbors.)
And no, publishing someone else's SSN is not a crime.
Gentleman Savage wrote:
I'm definitely no fan of Salazar or his culture/methods, yet I see it's long past time to stop beating this dead horse.
When his ban is over ... that when when people like you can cry "beating a dead horse." Until then, those who cry that out are nothing more than Nike shills.
Keeping an eye on Salazar, and other banned USADA people is equivalent to what happens to a person on parole. Salazar has no recourse to whine, especially about his very adult offspring being observed. That is entirely Salazar fault for enlisting them as Daddy's little helpers and lab rats in the passed.
Like I said before: Salazar needs to shrug if off and say, "Whatever." But his whining is like someone who has something to hide.
Since Salazar and Rupp have always been squeaky clean, they shouldn't be bothered by testing and observation. They have nothing to hide and should welcome the scrutiny which only enhances their stellar repute.
Tastes Like Chicken wrote:
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Whomever it was, needs to be locked up and then sued for every penny they have. If I was the recipient of that kind of activity there would be heel to pay. One way or another.
Locked up? Sued? On what grounds? Harassment? Read the Infeld story to see how hard that is. Invasion of privacy? As long as the PI stays in "public places" and doesn't trespass or break-in, they aren't invading privacy. (And remember, there's no law against them lying when talking to friends and neighbors.)
And no, publishing someone else's SSN is not a crime.
I had a top level security clearance with the Air Force as a private contractor. To get that involved not only talking with references I provided, but investigators also talked with people who know those people and neighbors of those secondary people. I know that is how it works because I heard from two long lost friends to contacted me asking if I was in trouble with the government.
Salazar needs to stop acting like a guilty person. He is banned and accepted being watched as a condition. And having your close associated watched is going to be part of that.