Katir is the most obvious doper of all time

Ghost1 wrote:

Katir once said - “ On my mother’s head, I would never cheat or resort to illegal methods to improve my performance » please note that when a Muslim talks about his mother, he has (in all likelihood), to be telling the truth because to mention his mother in a sentence like this and cheat would be tantamount to self annihilation and suicide for a Muslim.

If you do a little bit of research into Muslim culture you will understand this and you will come to appreciate this Spanish athlete (Katir) all the more so.

It would also be good for people to stop referring to him as a “Spanish Moroccan“ athlete because he has been produced in Spain, trained in Spain, and his whole life has been lived in Spain. This is no ersatz copy.

You ask us to do a little research into Muslim culture in order to understand Katir, and then in the next sentence ask us to stop referring to him as a Spanish Moroccan" because he is apparently 100% Spanish.

Sorry Ghost, but last time I checked, the native Spanish Christians re-conquered all of their remaining land from the Muslims in the Iberian peninsula in the 15th century. Yes, Spain, like most of Western Europe, is undergoing a process of reverse colonalization and Islamization, but it's still early to claim that somebody can be 100% Muslim culture, and 100% Spanish or European.

If you need to understand Muslim culture to understand Katir, he is as much Moroccan (where he gets his Muslim religion and culture from) as Spanish. BTW, has to be said, being Muslim and being clean in middle-distance running doesn't appear to be a good match, from Morocco to Bahrain.

pupil3142 wrote:

nonsense, norway is famed for doping. possibly the dirtiest country there is

https://sputniknews.com/sport/201610141046332640-norway-doping-skiing/https://www.reuters.com/article/us-olympics-2018-nors-norway-idUSKBN1EV0EC

2 cases over many years? Only US track and field has much this year.

this

ofa lon teh wrote:

The most obvious dopers of all time are bobblehead, doorbell mo, rupp, centro, FloJo, ben johnson.

this. and gaby thomas

also association. wasn't shelby literally at his house macrodosing when she got popped

rojo wrote:

This logic doesn't work. Hocker was a CHILD PRODIGY. As was Centro as someone pointed out.

He won the HS national champs. Does that mean he's clean? No. But it means it's much less likely he is.

The most of child prodigy didn't show good results after 20. Usually 'child prodigy' is forcing on training and maybe in pharma at a very young age.

You don't have any proof that a big improvement at adult age usually isn't legally.

And you don't use the same logic for Americans like Frerichs or Houlihan.

StayerFan wrote:

pupil3142 wrote:

nonsense, norway is famed for doping. possibly the dirtiest country there is

https://sputniknews.com/sport/201610141046332640-norway-doping-skiing/https://www.reuters.com/article/us-olympics-2018-nors-norway-idUSKBN1EV0EC

2 cases over many years? Only US track and field has much this year.

Hey, I admire Putin's Russia in many ways, but even I will admit that Spurnik News is not a credible source.

This thread reminds me of a similar one on Ramzi when he burst on the scene. Same doping apologist arguments of 'training hard', 'devout Muslim', 'we are all racist Westerners' etc.

Charlie Chaplin wrote:

'devout Muslim'

In fact, this is that hurt you the most.

Look at the reactions for Sifan Hassan and Mo Farah in this forum.

This was called the free evolved west with LGBQ bonus

and the retard Islamic World.

(a common reflex)

flyoverstaterunner wrote:

maaaaaybe... wrote:

Man Spain has been like a paradise for doping for a long time. It hasn t been like that last years though; and our results in track n field show it.

Anyone who follows cycling knows this. Spanish anti-doping is a joke. Of course a 6'1" cyclist (Indurain) climbed with the all the best little horse jockeys that normally make good climbers. Not to mention that I think Operation Puerto from like 2006 is still not closed and there may still be non-cyclist blood bags that haven't been revealed. The only Spanish known positives came from police raids and prosecutions; doping authorities were doing NOTHING.

Didn’t Jama Aden leave a bag of used needles in a Spanish trash can around the same time Mo Farah forgot which country he was training in?

maaaaaybe... wrote:

I want to believe. However, he had plenty of problems to become a Spanish citizen, he made it like 1 or 2 years ago. He's been a national champion as well. From that to running 3.28 there is a bit of a stretch though

Please, inform us. "Plenty of problems"? None, whatsoever. He became a citizen when 18, since his parents were Maroccan. That's how it is in Spain, if you are not born there. Not like the US. Why do you write such stuff?

Obvious doper here, and obvious doper there. A lot of guilt by association here and other Association Fallacies. Some ought to sue their schools and get their money back. And a lot of abstract reasoning.

BTW, Katir has a nice running style. He is very happy. And in the years to come there will be some nice duels between him and Jakob. Theoretically there may be a lot of doping out there or not so much. But we don't know, do we?

Finland is not in Scandinavia. Better brush up on your geography.

icrlp05 wrote:

also association. wasn't shelby literally at his house macrodosing when she got popped

Yes. And he was trying to protect her.

And of course he was trained for years by the now finally banned drug cheat coach Salazar.

Passant wrote:

Look at the reactions for Sifan Hassan and Mo Farah in this forum.

Interesting examples. The only Dutch Likely Doper and the only British Likely Doper on the short IAAF likely doping list in 2016. Both with impressive mid-career jumps, to put it mildly, after joining the now banned drug cheat coach Salazar.

KaareV wrote:

Obvious doper here, and obvious doper there. A lot of guilt by association here and other Association Fallacies. Some ought to sue their schools and get their money back. And a lot of abstract reasoning.

BTW, Katir has a nice running style. He is very happy. And in the years to come there will be some nice duels between him and Jakob. Theoretically there may be a lot of doping out there or not so much. But we don't know, do we?

To claim that Katir is suspicious on account of his background is not an example of 'association fallacy'. To use the cop out 'we don't know do we' is just a pathetic doping apologist excuse. We didn't 'know' about Ramzi until he was popped, but it was still obvious to any reasonable observer at the time.

Are the mods reading this blatant and idiotic racism?

Now being a Muslim makes you a doper??!

For a start, religion has absolutely nothing to do with doping. Let's make that clear.

But if you wanted to draw some silly parallels then you could point out that all of the Kenyan dopers are Christian, the Russians are Christians, the Bahrainian athlete Ruth Jebet is Christian, all of the American sprinters are generally Christians etc.

Point of order: Hassan was passport suspicious, it was likely doping for just farah/rupp