Strength coach evaluates Shelby's bust: "You are a liar"

rojo wrote:

What I most don't like is how he spent a ton of the video talking about how it's unlikely that the pig was shot up with nandrolene. hello. He doesn't understand their main defense. Their main defense is it came from an uncastrated pig. The pig doesn't need to be shot up with anything.

Not a knock on Rojo (who I respect a great deal), but the problem with episodes like this is many people do a few minutes of research on the internet and become instant experts. Let me state unequivocally that I know nothing about pigs, either castrated or uncastrated. However, I have to believe WADA took information like this into account when they set parameters for the test.

Common sense would indicate she is guilty. I think a big reason many of these busted athletes show no remorse is because the sport at the top levels is so dirty. She might as well say "Yeah, I cheated, but PED use is rampant and I probably didn't cheat more than a lot of other top athletes,"

One issue that wasn’t addressed was she actually ordered a carne asada burrito and they gave her that accidentally. I mean , my palette is that great but if someone gave pig organs instead of steak, I could tell.

Taco Bell Grande wrote:

Not a knock on Rojo (who I respect a great deal), but the problem with episodes like this is many people do a few minutes of research on the internet and become instant experts.

You respect Rojo bc he’s the type to do a few minutes of research and become an instant expert?

I agree. He appears to be getting his info from one article and then running with it. WADA considered it a big enough problem to rewrite (last year) part of their guidance to help address the ingestion of pork in these cases.

There’s another “meathead” video making the rounds that makes an interesting point (with alot of swearing, though). Link:

I disagree with the vlogger in the following respects:

1. I don’t think it’s realistic to expect even Olympic athletes to have a perfect diet — going out to eat and eating something fun can help de-stress.

2. I think she has a decent chance to win in a Swiss court and should keep pursuing her case.

3. I can understand if a distance team didn’t know specifically about nandrolone, but now there’s no excuses. Hopefully sponsors can help with athlete and coach education.

4. I don’t think that her career is automatically over or that there will always be an asterisk by her name.

5. I think AIU and CAS and even WADA dropped the ball in this case in many different respects.

6. It’s too bad that Nike can’t afford to offer something like this for it’s athletes:

As someone who trains at Garage Strength as a shot putter. We have over 10 athletes in the testing pool between Olympic Weightlifting for Team USA and Track & Field. While I understand this can only hold so much weight because people get away with cheating. We have not had one positive test from our athletes and WE ARE NOT KNOWN FOR STEROIDS. Dane has made videos about steroids in the past because he thinks its important to talk about and educate others on the subject. We've had lifters at international competitions lose because of doped athletes so he has done his research. So he thought it was worth commenting in given his research into PEDs from coaching Team USA the last 7 years.

Hope this gives insight on Dane and Garage Strength

As someone who trains at Garage Strength as a shot putter. We have over 10 athletes in the testing pool between Olympic Weightlifting for Team USA and Track & Field. While I understand this can only hold so much weight because people get away with cheating. We have not had one positive test from our athletes and WE ARE NOT KNOWN FOR STEROIDS. Dane has made videos about steroids in the past because he thinks its important to talk about and educate others on the subject. We've had lifters at international competitions lose because of doped athletes so he has done his research. So he thought it was worth commenting in given his research into PEDs from coaching Team USA the last 7 years.

Hope this gives insight on Dane and Garage Strength

AlohaState wrote:

AlohaState wrote:

What stands out to me is this was not a USADA test but was conducted by UIA, an international body. Either USADA detected a pattern and alerted them, or someone reported Shelby to UIA.

Sorry I meant AIU.

Furthermore, AIU makes a big deal about transparency through the whole process. The fact there has been so much secrecy leads me to believe there is a whistleblower who needs to be protected.

quigley?

bet on it wrote:

Pretty compelling stuff. I did not know that nandralone was specific to joint integrity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTgpgaTRUsc

Or maybe, just maybe she took it for that reason...joint integrity and tight ligaments to recover from hard workouts every now and then.

I never said that doing so is "right", but it seems like the only plausible explanation.

I don't believe the burrito story but I believe they had that in their back pocket all prepared if she tested positive.

JCoon wrote:

As someone who trains at Garage Strength as a shot putter. We have over 10 athletes in the testing pool between Olympic Weightlifting for Team USA and Track & Field. While I understand this can only hold so much weight because people get away with cheating. We have not had one positive test from our athletes and WE ARE NOT KNOWN FOR STEROIDS. Dane has made videos about steroids in the past because he thinks its important to talk about and educate others on the subject. We've had lifters at international competitions lose because of doped athletes so he has done his research. So he thought it was worth commenting in given his research into PEDs from coaching Team USA the last 7 years.

Hope this gives insight on Dane and Garage Strength

Thanks for your insight. Watch a few other vids of his after this one. Dane seems like a stand up guy.

it's amazing the benefit of the doubt you're giving Houlihan compared to how quickly you condemned salazar and rupp.

you don't come off as objective and, normally I would have no problem with that, but you guys are aiming to be like journalists reporting results in the running world and we don't come here to read what you think about this and that

no cheaters wrote:

Great analysis. Should be posted to the front page of this site.

+1

Hear me out...is it possible for semen to transfer Nandrolone? If so, perhaps her boyfriend was the doper and "infected" her, or his semen Nandrolone along with her microdose was enough to send her over the edge.

c7runner7 wrote:

In the video, he says nandrolone can be used legally in cattle. So wouldn't it be more likely that nandrolone is in beef in this case? And Shelby actually ordered Carne Asada (which is beef). So why didn't the defense team claim it was beef contamination? Or maybe low levels of nandrolone beef cooked in pig lard ( containing low levels of nandrolone) cooked on the same stovetop as pig offal (trace amounts) combined.

No, that's not what he said. He points out correctly, that only beef cattle and sheep can be treated with growth hormones/steroids. Pigs cannot.

However nandrolone is not one of the growth hormones approved for or used in sheep and cattle farming.

Houlihan's defense, as ridiculous as it now appears, is the only viable excuse they could pull out since there are studies showing that uncastrated male pig organs have small quantities of nandrolone.

Really I’m surprised. I only have two close friends that I can talk about. One a 5000 Olympic finalist and the other a three time Olympian. Neither one ever kept a log of anything they ate. I’ve fed both of them dozens of meals

Ok so now a strength coach can tell who is using what? Lmao. This is nothing but An attention grab from said SC. And this is coming from someone who doesn’t believe her at all.

wejo wrote:

AlohaState wrote:

The argument that she was blindsided by a test in December is interesting. It indicates AIU was tipped off by a whistleblower.

But it’s not accurate. I just looked at USADA data. Shelby was tested 4 times 3rd quarter and 4 in 4th quarter.

Wejo, tests are tabulated not by days tested but tests run. Shelby could have been tested 3 times in 1 day or twice in two days or 1 time each on 4 days. USADA runs 3 types of tests. Shelby likely had blood drawn and urine each time so probably tested on two different days. Last year they started doing blood spot as well, so she could have had three tests on 1 day. So we are looking at two tests over a few month period. USADA typically comes once a month around the same time. Very reasonable to assuke she was blindsided.

If she was tested after racing that counts in the test history as well. Also, some athletes were given virtual tests during the pandemic. A lot of times we are not tested for a while after competitions. Because the test was done by AIU that may not appear on the USADA page so she could have been tested more than shown. Someone could probably find a trend on which athletes (groups/types) are tested and when if they kept track of the athletes tests when updated each week.

NCAADIcoach wrote:

The meathead said EVERY distance coach would know what nandrolone is. Just for fun I asked some of the best distance coaches in the country (collegiate) if they knew what it was. Not one knew.

I think he said any high-quality coach of elite athletes would be familiar with nandrolone. And he's correct.

Sounds like your trusted colleagues - these so called 'best distance coaches in the country' - are the meatheads in this case.

NCAADIcoach wrote:

... Just for fun I asked some of the best distance coaches in the country (collegiate) if they knew what it was. Not one knew...

Are you kidding me?! Dieter Baumann, 5000m Oly champ, first white guy under 13 mins, got press for years about the claim that his toothpaste was spiked with Nandrolone. I'm just a fan and know about Nandro/Deca, how could a real track coach not have heard of this? Less known, tennis star Petr Korda tested positive for Nandro in 1998 Wimbledon. Spanish race walk Daniel Plaza: Nando. Bulgarian Tennis star Sesil Karatancheva, nandro.

Emma Coburn has a non PED profile.

they may be going after athletes with a very dubious blood passport, and profile.