agip wrote:
just like some people have been draft dodgers, like some people cheat on taxes, some people refuse to work and take welfare...you have decided to be a freeloader.
So it's up to the good people of the nation to carry your dead weight. it's up to the good people to stop the virus, open the economy and get schools open.
And we will do that. You be comfortable. Don't stress.
+1
energeticlotuseater wrote:
bigmig19 wrote:
You sound like a 13 y/o. No laws or common sense apply to you? You just want to live off of all this country and its people provide you by being part of a society, but you dont want to follow any laws or guidelines no matter how much it harms others? Join the selfish 6th grader club.
It’s a very relevant question.
We’ve been arguing back and forth about our philosophical differences on lockdown vs non-lockdown,masking vs non masking, etc for over a year. While theoretical arguing is all well and good at the end of the day it is what it is, theory.
What if freedom lovers like myself simply say (and have been saying for over a year) “no”. No, I won’t socially distance, no I won’t wear a mask or no I won’t limit how many people are in my private residence? Well, I think we all say what happens- the lockdown/masking crowd is simply impotent.
It’s obvious that you think you are being really clever or something. It just isn’t clear why to the rest of us. The answer is so clear it is basically punching you in the face yet you clearly need someone to explain it to you.
What will we do? Well, nothing really all that drastic. You aren’t going to be rounded up and sent to prison. You aren’t going to be forcibly vaccinated. I, and others, will simply judge you from afar for walking around like a moron thumbing your nose at the mildest of inconveniences, screaming “freedom” while you and your ilk kill the most vulnerable in our society.
We will, however, take common sense measures to protect greater society. You won’t, for example, be allowed to travel on airplanes, send your kids to public schools, attend large road races or other ceremonial functions and generally engage with civil society as it gains momentum again.
One last item. If you insist on failing to socially distance with complete strangers you may also find yourself in easily avoidable altercations. If, for example, you happened to purposefully walk up to and cough on my infant with respiratory issues I will physically assault you.
In short, nothing horribly drastic will happen to you other than what you probably experience already. Marginalization from broader educated society and acceptance with fringe culture echo chambers that give you comfort to your own detriment.
highhoppingworm wrote:
We will, however, take common sense measures to protect greater society. You won’t, for example, be allowed to travel on airplanes, send your kids to public schools, attend large road races or other ceremonial functions and generally engage with civil society as it gains momentum again.
Sure he will. He is probably already doing those things.
Remember when Fauci pretended to take a vaccine and then said his arm was sore and held the other arm?
A classic.
energeticlotuseater wrote:
bigmig19 wrote:
You sound like a 13 y/o. No laws or common sense apply to you? You just want to live off of all this country and its people provide you by being part of a society, but you dont want to follow any laws or guidelines no matter how much it harms others? Join the selfish 6th grader club.
It’s a very relevant question.
We’ve been arguing back and forth about our philosophical differences on lockdown vs non-lockdown,masking vs non masking, etc for over a year. While theoretical arguing is all well and good at the end of the day it is what it is, theory.
What if freedom lovers like myself simply say (and have been saying for over a year) “no”. No, I won’t socially distance, no I won’t wear a mask or no I won’t limit how many people are in my private residence? Well, I think we all say what happens- the lockdown/masking crowd is simply impotent.
+1
This.
One of the great things about the people of this country compared to a lot of places is when the government tried to shut them down during the height of the COVID scare millions of people just gave the government the middle finger and lived as normal. And despite the COVID scare mongers yelling and screaming to “mask up” or “stay inside” they were largely ignored and couldn’t do much about it.
Super Sandman wrote:
energeticlotuseater wrote:
It’s a very relevant question.
We’ve been arguing back and forth about our philosophical differences on lockdown vs non-lockdown,masking vs non masking, etc for over a year. While theoretical arguing is all well and good at the end of the day it is what it is, theory.
What if freedom lovers like myself simply say (and have been saying for over a year) “no”. No, I won’t socially distance, no I won’t wear a mask or no I won’t limit how many people are in my private residence? Well, I think we all say what happens- the lockdown/masking crowd is simply impotent.
+1
This.
One of the great things about the people of this country compared to a lot of places is when the government tried to shut them down during the height of the COVID scare millions of people just gave the government the middle finger and lived as normal. And despite the COVID scare mongers yelling and screaming to “mask up” or “stay inside” they were largely ignored and couldn’t do much about it.
Remember that comical propaganda nonsense about the Sturgis motorcycle rally causing 250,000 infections in a "super spreader" event ?
https://wset.com/news/nation-world/sturgis-rally-saw-far-less-covid-cases-than-projected-in-2020Hardloper wrote:
highhoppingworm wrote:
We will, however, take common sense measures to protect greater society. You won’t, for example, be allowed to travel on airplanes, send your kids to public schools, attend large road races or other ceremonial functions and generally engage with civil society as it gains momentum again.
Sure he will. He is probably already doing those things.
That’s because the vaccine is just beginning to be widely available. You are honestly telling me you don’t think public schools will require vaccinations? Hell, you already can’t travel internationally most
places without vaccine credentials. You have your head in the sand if you don’t believe the above common sense measures will be in place by the end of 2021/early part of 2022.
highhoppingworm wrote:
energeticlotuseater wrote:
It’s a very relevant question.
We’ve been arguing back and forth about our philosophical differences on lockdown vs non-lockdown,masking vs non masking, etc for over a year. While theoretical arguing is all well and good at the end of the day it is what it is, theory.
What if freedom lovers like myself simply say (and have been saying for over a year) “no”. No, I won’t socially distance, no I won’t wear a mask or no I won’t limit how many people are in my private residence? Well, I think we all say what happens- the lockdown/masking crowd is simply impotent.
It’s obvious that you think you are being really clever or something. It just isn’t clear why to the rest of us. The answer is so clear it is basically punching you in the face yet you clearly need someone to explain it to you.
What will we do? Well, nothing really all that drastic. You aren’t going to be rounded up and sent to prison. You aren’t going to be forcibly vaccinated. I, and others, will simply judge you from afar for walking around like a moron thumbing your nose at the mildest of inconveniences, screaming “freedom” while you and your ilk kill the most vulnerable in our society.
We will, however, take common sense measures to protect greater society. You won’t, for example, be allowed to travel on airplanes, send your kids to public schools, attend large road races or other ceremonial functions and generally engage with civil society as it gains momentum again.
One last item. If you insist on failing to socially distance with complete strangers you may also find yourself in easily avoidable altercations. If, for example, you happened to purposefully walk up to and cough on my infant with respiratory issues I will physically assault you.
In short, nothing horribly drastic will happen to you other than what you probably experience already. Marginalization from broader educated society and acceptance with fringe culture echo chambers that give you comfort to your own detriment.
That’s funny because I’m already doing the things you said I wouldn’t be able to do for over a year.
I’ve been doing road races, traveling, hanging out with large crowds, going to bars, restaurants, etc. My kids go to private school so that won’t be a problem either.
Don’t worry, I wasn’t walking up to infants and coughing on them before COVID and I don’t plan on starting now- although I’m sure this is the cartoonish villain vision you have of people who disagree with you.
However, if I’m walking minding my own business and you get in my face and try to physically force me or my family to wear a mask then we may have a problem. Alas though, you won’t do any of that. You’ll just stew in your basement while I live life as I did pre-COVID.
energeticlotuseater wrote:
highhoppingworm wrote:
It’s obvious that you think you are being really clever or something. It just isn’t clear why to the rest of us. The answer is so clear it is basically punching you in the face yet you clearly need someone to explain it to you.
What will we do? Well, nothing really all that drastic. You aren’t going to be rounded up and sent to prison. You aren’t going to be forcibly vaccinated. I, and others, will simply judge you from afar for walking around like a moron thumbing your nose at the mildest of inconveniences, screaming “freedom” while you and your ilk kill the most vulnerable in our society.
We will, however, take common sense measures to protect greater society. You won’t, for example, be allowed to travel on airplanes, send your kids to public schools, attend large road races or other ceremonial functions and generally engage with civil society as it gains momentum again.
One last item. If you insist on failing to socially distance with complete strangers you may also find yourself in easily avoidable altercations. If, for example, you happened to purposefully walk up to and cough on my infant with respiratory issues I will physically assault you.
In short, nothing horribly drastic will happen to you other than what you probably experience already. Marginalization from broader educated society and acceptance with fringe culture echo chambers that give you comfort to your own detriment.
That’s funny because I’m already doing the things you said I wouldn’t be able to do for over a year.
I’ve been doing road races, traveling, hanging out with large crowds, going to bars, restaurants, etc. My kids go to private school so that won’t be a problem either.
Don’t worry, I wasn’t walking up to infants and coughing on them before COVID and I don’t plan on starting now- although I’m sure this is the cartoonish villain vision you have of people who disagree with you.
However, if I’m walking minding my own business and you get in my face and try to physically force me or my family to wear a mask then we may have a problem. Alas though, you won’t do any of that. You’ll just stew in your basement while I live life as I did pre-COVID.
Give it a year. You can’t send your kid to public school without a mask and a measles vaccine most places now. I suspect that COVID vaccine will be a requirement once pediatric trials are complete and safety/efficacy is proven. Travel/major races will become a requirement towards the end of 2021 when not being vaccinated is obviously a personal choice vs. a lack of access question.
Not sure why you would take issue with the above... seems like a pretty obvious and likely course of events to me. You really think that airlines are going to require masks but not vaccines?
highhoppingworm wrote:
energeticlotuseater wrote:
That’s funny because I’m already doing the things you said I wouldn’t be able to do for over a year.
I’ve been doing road races, traveling, hanging out with large crowds, going to bars, restaurants, etc. My kids go to private school so that won’t be a problem either.
Don’t worry, I wasn’t walking up to infants and coughing on them before COVID and I don’t plan on starting now- although I’m sure this is the cartoonish villain vision you have of people who disagree with you.
However, if I’m walking minding my own business and you get in my face and try to physically force me or my family to wear a mask then we may have a problem. Alas though, you won’t do any of that. You’ll just stew in your basement while I live life as I did pre-COVID.
Give it a year. You can’t send your kid to public school without a mask and a measles vaccine most places now. I suspect that COVID vaccine will be a requirement once pediatric trials are complete and safety/efficacy is proven. Travel/major races will become a requirement towards the end of 2021 when not being vaccinated is obviously a personal choice vs. a lack of access question.
Yes, “two more weeks” or “the next wave”- the metaphorical “ball” is always about to drop at some point in the future with you and your kin. I’ve signed up for a few major marathons that are planned to take place towards the end of 2021- no vaccine questions.
highhoppingworm wrote:
Give it a year. You can’t send your kid to public school without a mask and a measles vaccine most places now. I suspect that COVID vaccine will be a requirement once pediatric trials are complete and safety/efficacy is proven. Travel/major races will become a requirement towards the end of 2021 when not being vaccinated is obviously a personal choice vs. a lack of access question.
Not sure why you would take issue with the above... seems like a pretty obvious and likely course of events to me. You really think that airlines are going to require masks but not vaccines?
No point in feeding the troll anymore.
"I'm going to freeload on cooperative society" is an unassailable talking point. If you're willing to cede that much ground to make a point then what can we do?
Turns out that "yes, I'm a bad person and enjoy other people carrying my weight" is a pretty effective way to win an argument :)
What metaphorical ball are you talking about exactly? We are living our lives just like it sounds you are. The only difference, we wear masks in public places and make a few common sense concessions that don’t really impact our life that much. You are the one who has painted some grand illusion in your head of me living in a basement while you are some “freedom fighting” truth brigadier. I am simply pointing out that society will limit your activities more and more as time goes on most likely. The idea that vaccinations are a requirement to send your kids to grade school, camp, college etc. isn’t exactly revolutionary... just add one more vaccine to the list! As for travel... admittedly that would be a change but I would wager a good sum of money on it by year end.
I need to go now and go for a walk in a national park with my 11 month old and my mom who just flew in from Florida. The arrogance is astounding.
Well maybe I can help the individuals like the good doctor who simply don’t understand our point of view.
Some of us, many of us in fact, want to choose what we put and don’t put in our bodies (in this case a vaccine) AND choose in what capacity we wish to gather with others. We don’t view this as some sort of negotiation with a bunch of government bureaucrats.
Das Unkle wrote:
Remember when Fauci pretended to take a vaccine and then said his arm was sore and held the other arm?
A classic.
I thought only persons like Julia Webb fell for that one.
Aren’t you a national socialist Unkle?
highhoppingworm wrote:
You really think that airlines are going to require masks but not vaccines?
No they won't nor will road races. There isn't and won't be any need for such requirements.
any time someone makes a supposed statement of fact , and feels compelled to add "it just doesn't make any sense" , in order to try to convince you they are correct- well that should be very suspect; why he doesn't he add that eating fast food, smoking and drinking too much and driving too fast and not exercising doesn't make any sense, or lying doesn't make any sense?
DanM wrote:
Remember that comical propaganda nonsense about the Sturgis motorcycle rally causing 250,000 infections in a "super spreader" event ?
I do. You should read about it. And when you do, keep in mind, this was a sampling of people from only MN, who were identified and were cooperative. Its quite likely just among Minnesotans who attended that there were significant other undetected and/or unreported or uncooperative cases who spread the virus to others.
And I don't know about 250K but there was plenty of spread and not from riding around on bikes but from packing into bars and such at night.
https://www.keloland.com/keloland-com-original/cdc-says-new-study-shows-how-sturgis-rally-triggered-spread-of-covid-19/remember 'flatten the curve' slogan , whatever happened with that?
fauci is part of the problem, people dont trust the govt or him
unkle supression, Unit 2 wrote:
DanM wrote:
Remember that comical propaganda nonsense about the Sturgis motorcycle rally causing 250,000 infections in a "super spreader" event ?
I do. You should read about it. And when you do, keep in mind, this was a sampling of people from only MN, who were identified and were cooperative. Its quite likely just among Minnesotans who attended that there were significant other undetected and/or unreported or uncooperative cases who spread the virus to others.
And I don't know about 250K but there was plenty of spread and not from riding around on bikes but from packing into bars and such at night.
https://www.keloland.com/keloland-com-original/cdc-says-new-study-shows-how-sturgis-rally-triggered-spread-of-covid-19/
Ridiculous that people claim Sturgis didn't spread covid. As though it was an unrelated magical coincidence that case rates in the Dakotas went from among the lowest in the country all the way thru early August to among the highest in the months immediately following the rally.
Folks had to try very hard to get massive outbreaks going in the Dakotas (states among the lowest population densities) - and they succeeded. Again - sociopaths of America - congratulations on leaving your mark.