Serious thread about election fraud

just saying... wrote:

So you're admitting that their might be some fraud but not enough to make a difference. That's a good start for you! I know nothing about anything Trump Jr posted. I have seen that you can take many of the 14K dead people from here:

No you can't.

The right wing crazies that have been 'unearthing' this thing have found 3.

One where a guy with the same name as his dad voted and they put it under his dead dad's name

One with a woman who had her birthday sat to 01/01/1901 for some reason, and another lady who was down as being dead but she was very much alive. Two clerical errors.

Find anymore while you were searching?

You're right, that was incorrect, meant to say swing states (many of which were the last ones to be called). The point still stands. What other states besides swing states did Hillary and Obama get more than Biden in?

just saying... wrote:

So you're admitting that their might be some fraud but not enough to make a difference. That's a good start for you! I know nothing about anything Trump Jr posted. I have seen that you can take many of the 14K dead people from here:

https://t.co/qbdeHhcemU?amp=1

and find that they've voted here:

https://t.co/9DhgllewyB?amp=1

(Much more than just a few people by the way)

Now can you answer what qualifies as evidence for you? I'm not going to waste my time posting things that don't meet your invisible standard.

I appreciate you backing up your words with something. I can't get that site to work though, part of the problem is it requires a birth month so I might have to try 12 times and I can't even get January to work.

Can you give me one example from the list that actually works so I can see what you're seeing? Pick someone before 1910 so I can be confident they're dead by now.

ranger danger wrote:

I have an explanation- she made the whole thing up ?.

No. Biden gained roughly 80% of the mail-in votes. In states requiring 90% to win- he got 90%. 80% of easily manipulated votes went to Biden. The rest were 50-50.

Oh I just saw that from another poster that a few people have been debunked already. OK - I don't want you to pick them so I'll give you a few options. If you could get one of these to work and tell me which month you used I'll try to verify.

ALVIN,BROOKS,1901,48341

SARAH,MAKI,1908,49945

MINNIE,BELL,1901,48206

MAMIE,HARRIS,1907,48235

HENRY,BASKIN,1905,48141

OK if this data source is any good you should be able to get one of those to work.

invest..... wrote:

ranger danger wrote:

I have an explanation- she made the whole thing up ?.

No. Biden gained roughly 80% of the mail-in votes. In states requiring 90% to win- he got 90%. 80% of easily manipulated votes went to Biden. The rest were 50-50.

The Democrats got most of the mail in votes because Trump actively discouraged his supporters from using it and has been trying to discredit the system for months.

People where burning their mail in ballots at Republican rallies.

It's no surprise that the overwhelming majority of absentee votes were for Biden.

just saying... wrote:

And we're supposed to believe that Joe Biden got fewer votes than Hilary and Obama except in the last states to be called that will ultimately decide the election...

*points out that this is a lie*

just saying... wrote:

You're right, that was incorrect, meant to say swing states (many of which were the last ones to be called). The point still stands. What other states besides swing states did Hillary and Obama get more than Biden in?

Your second post literally contradicts your first to the point that you are clearly just trying to confuse the question to obfuscate the fact that you lied.

The claims of widespread voter fraud have little to no substantial evidence.

But in some ways Democrats brought this on themselves. Back in August, Hillary declared:

"Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is."

And that is exactly what Republicans are doing now. Not conceding under any circumstances. Not giving an inch.

Wow, thank you comrade. Isn't it sad that only Cassandra Fairbanks, the journalist from the Russian state funded news agency, Sputnik, is concerned about democracy in the US. Is this what has become of us? Only Russia wants to insure that Trump will stay president? While it's somewhat sad that Trump has alienated all of our traditional allies, thank the baby Jesus we now have Russia as an allies who will look out for Trump and our democracy the way only Russia has historically always sided with democracy. The lame stream media won't even cover this stuff, thank the lord for reliable Russian news sources.

The country is very polarized and has been since the 1960s. If this election was close, and it was, whichever side lost was going to claim the other side stole the election. Deep down in your black socialist hearts you left-wingers know this is true.

Pretty much every close election won by Republicans in the last 50 years has been "stolen"

1968 - Nixon backroom deal with Vietnam

1980 - October Surprise , Reagan backroom deal with Iran

2000 - Fraud in Florida

2004 - Fraud in Ohio

2016 - The sinister hand of Vladimir Putin

FWIW, I'm right of Attila the Hun and think Sleepy Joe won.

only russia cares about our democracy wrote:

Wow, thank you comrade. Isn't it sad that only Cassandra Fairbanks, the journalist from the Russian state funded news agency, Sputnik, is concerned about democracy in the US. Is this what has become of us? Only Russia wants to insure that Trump will stay president? While it's somewhat sad that Trump has alienated all of our traditional allies, thank the baby Jesus we now have Russia as an allies who will look out for Trump and our democracy the way only Russia has historically always sided with democracy. The lame stream media won't even cover this stuff, thank the lord for reliable Russian news sources.

The evidence is mounting but needs substantiating first. It's the right course of action. What you don't do is , for example, have a black guy killed by a white cop, the n have the MSM screaming a white cop murdered an innocent black in cold blood due to racism BEFORE finding out that the black man was a known criminal who once held a knife to a pregnant woman belly and at the time he died had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system. Also, the white cop never once made a racist remark. If we don't get the evidence vetted the country could go into a false rage.

Trollisms Step Daddy

alternate opinion wrote:

Oh I just saw that from another poster that a few people have been debunked already. OK - I don't want you to pick them so I'll give you a few options. If you could get one of these to work and tell me which month you used I'll try to verify.

ALVIN,BROOKS,1901,48341

SARAH,MAKI,1908,49945

MINNIE,BELL,1901,48206

MAMIE,HARRIS,1907,48235

HENRY,BASKIN,1905,48141

OK if this data source is any good you should be able to get one of those to work.

Cool cool cool. This guy dropped a list of 14,000 names to make it seem like there is a huge volume of fraud then ghosted from the thread when I tried to follow the steps he suggested.

More awesome proof from the right.

I invite anyone else to try one of these five names I randomly picked. Links are a few posts up. Hey, maybe you'll surprise me and get one of them to work. I'll admit it if I'm wrong.

some bloke wrote:

george c wrote:

Because of what I put in that 2nd paragraph. It was proven how quick & easy it was to change voting machine numbers. And the fact that when Jill Stein asked for it to be examined, PA, MI, & WI governors had the paper trail as well as the computer data destroyed so that it could never be viewed. Quite an easy process actually. I am not saying it was illegal just not the transparency you would think we deserve. The investigation into Russian tampering in our election process and a bill to safeguard our future elelctions were both nixed by the GOP.

Jill Stein was robbed of the Presidency?

Thanks. A logical question. I took my dog for a walk and returned to see some right-wing nut jobs have Fox News streaming through their braces on this thread.

No, Ms. Stein was not robbed as far as I know. But she thought something was highly irregular with the votes. They were all same day votes. Mail-in were only for absentee at that time.

Trump was up by a narrow margin with only strong democratic precincts remaining in PA, MI, & WI. The big cities take longer so they were a bit behind. Within an hour they reported and all three pushed Trump to a larger margin although still narrow. Stein must believe in democracy, fair play, backing another woman, or something I am not sure but it was her, not Hillary who requested an investigation. The three GOP controlled states said "no" which is their right and they destroyed all results, cyber and paper, the day after election conformation.

cognitive dissonance much wrote:

I’m not saying there was voter fraud, but I would definitely not say I am sure there WASN’T fraud either.

Do we think that a party who allows poor performing male high school athletes to “switch” to female and compete and win amongst them would be the type of party to cheat? Or no?

If there was fraud, wouldn’t it more likely be committed by the party whose leader has lied over 20,000 times, hides his taxes from the public and has had many associates arrested for fraud?

Or is he the person we should believe when he points his fingers at others?

And why isn't NC part of the discussion? The 15 Electoral votes would bring Biden over the top. Yet, not one word from the conspiracy crew about NC. Oh, right, Trump is leading there. Wouldn't the Democrats want to make sure they got that state as well?

Star wrote:

If there was fraud, wouldn’t it more likely be committed by the party whose leader has lied over 20,000 times, hides his taxes from the public and has had many associates arrested for fraud?

Or is he the person we should believe when he points his fingers at others?

As crazy as it is, I've learned that this is not effective argument with the right because they genuinely don't believe he is a liar, they believe it's the media who are the liars.

So think about it from their perspective. Think about how clearly and obviously you know that Trump is a liar. If you genuinely thought that way about the Dems and media, you'd make the same argument in the other direction and you'd believe what Trump is saying now. And when we keep saying there is no evidence, we would just continue to be liars.

It's a crazy world we live in.

Nonsense! wrote:

Trump needs to sack up and accept the results.

I agree, and the actual results show that Trump won and Biden lost the election.

We feel the same about the Democratic party. We see it, hear it, and experience it. Do you really believe that Democrats don't lie, steal, cheat, extort, abuse, commit crimes, etccc at all, or least not to the degree of Republicans? Are you that naive or narcissistic?