Jakob Ingebrigtsen is NOT even the Best 19 Year Old Runner Named Jakob/Jacob

Now, that's pretty interesting tip!

John Wesley Harding wrote:

"They both placed 2nd in their respective specialties at 2018 World Jrs."

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I will add: Jakob beat Jacob in the 5000 at 2018 World Jrs.

Many will probably disagree but I think Jakob with proper preparations - would have beaten Jacob in the 5000m in Ostrava.

Ah yes, again the odd phenomenon of there being no teenagers in Africa!

Pajac wrote:

Ah yes, again the odd phenomenon of there being no teenagers in Africa!

Plenty of teenagers in Africa. But a REAL teenager in Africa is slower than a 22 year old in Africa pretending to be a teenager. That's why they get to go the junior championships and the big races!

A lot of "minor" immigrants come to Europe every year, seeking asylum (easier to get asylum if you are a minor). The capacity to test them is not very high. But in doubt, dentists check their teeth. The results are that many are denied asylum, as the checks proved they are older!

Maybe a way to go for race organizers / world athletics?

objectiveobserver wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

"They both placed 2nd in their respective specialties at 2018 World Jrs."

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I will add: Jakob beat Jacob in the 5000 at 2018 World Jrs.

Many will probably disagree but I think Jakob with proper preparations - would have beaten Jacob in the 5000m in Ostrava.

Are you suggesting Jakob Ingebrigtsen hasn't bn training, and has been on holiday all this time? This Jakob can't beat this Jacob Kiplimo in 5k. When Jakob runs 12:48, and beats Berega or other elites in the 5k by outsprinting them on the last stretch, then you can come here declare him winner of races he hasn't run. Everything else is yr imagination. He can't just people because you say so.

The Jakob crowd has become very tedious. He is the only athlete that people come here to declare winner of races he hasn't run. Or has lost. He loses to TC repeatedly but some of you are already celebrating a JI gold medal win in 2021 Olympics. Why?

If anyone says Edris would beat Kiplimo in 5k, few will argue against that, cos he has 5k winning pedigree. Him losing wd be an upset. How many stacked international 5k events has Jakob won?

It's really unbelievable. If anyone wins a race, pple run here to say Jakob would have beaten him. How? Very few pple can out kick Berega in the last stretch. Give Jacob Kiplimo his due for winning a thrilling race against one of the top 5k runners of this generation. These hypothetical match ups which always end in a Jakob Ingebrigtsen win are really boring.

You didn't quite catch what I wrote. Sure, there might be age-cheats. But that was not my point. The point was, again, guilt by association. And you go on. I am so priviliged that I got my birth certificat at Birth, but that is beside the point. I have to look into Fita B. Remember him, and has actually seen him run in a competition. But this is anecdotical, my friend. So Kipketer was way up in his 30s when he got the bronzemedal in Athens? I am interested in this. When and where did he admitt that. Still, in Wikipedia he is born in 1972. And Zakayo is good at school because he is so much older? He looks young to me, but I am old ...

Loppas wrote:

Pajac wrote:

Ah yes, again the odd phenomenon of there being no teenagers in Africa!

Plenty of teenagers in Africa. But a REAL teenager in Africa is slower than a 22 year old in Africa pretending to be a teenager. That's why they get to go the junior championships and the big races!

Oh I see. But a REAL teenager in Norway is faster than all 22 year-olds in Norway, in Africa, and anywhere else.

Is there a valid reason for your reasoning?

Loppas wrote:

A lot of "minor" immigrants come to Europe every year, seeking asylum (easier to get asylum if you are a minor). The capacity to test them is not very high. But in doubt, dentists check their teeth. The results are that many are denied asylum, as the checks proved they are older!

Maybe a way to go for race organizers / world athletics?

BUILD THE WALL!!!!!

Sad...

Well, a week from now we will see whom of them wins 3000 in Rome. Jakob vs. Jacob. You are right, you never win before you win.

Pajac wrote:

Oh I see. But a REAL teenager in Norway is faster than all 22 year-olds in Norway, in Africa, and anywhere else.

Is there a valid reason for your reasoning?

Actually, a REAL teenager in Norway IS faster in 1500 m than all 22 year-old anywhere!?

Brazilian Guy wrote:

3.28.68 is 1264 points on the IAAF scoring tables while 12:48.67 (.03s slower than Kiplimo's time) is worth 1252 points.

So Ingebrigtsen's performance is clearly superior than Kiplimo (in termes of performance equivalence).

It's also worth noting that Kiplimo had someone to draft nearly the entire race while Jakob had none. And I think ~10min of drafting has more impact on one's performance than a "fast track".

pretty sure jakob lost his 3:28.68 so how could he not have someone in front of him.

3:28 is impressive, regardless of location.

Loppas wrote:

Pajac wrote:

Oh I see. But a REAL teenager in Norway is faster than all 22 year-olds in Norway, in Africa, and anywhere else.

Is there a valid reason for your reasoning?

Actually, a REAL teenager in Norway IS faster in 1500 m than all 22 year-old anywhere!?

But an African teenager can't be, right?

Gotcha.

Norge, Norge, über alles...

Loppas wrote:

"Benfica has released a passport and a birth certificate that was issued on March 17 2016, when Edward was 14 years old. The documents confirm that Edward was born in Kenya on November 25 2001."

I dont know where you come from, but where I am from, the birth certificates are issued at BIRTH, not 14 years later

This, in itself, does not prove anything. Just Google 'Lost Birth Certificate' and see what comes up. The only copy of my birth certificate that exists was issued 30 years after I was born. The original copy was lost in the course of many moves from one city to another. I would expect a significant percentage of the population do not have their original copy.

As an aside, my daughters have two different official birth certificates. Quebec used to issue certificates in the form of a letter but then changed the standard into the form style most places use. People who had the old style letter could no longer use then for official purposes had to obtain a new copy to the new standard. Hence two different birth certificates with two different issue dates.

Can't be? Who did you get and what did you get? One non African under 20 comes along every so often while there are multiple Africans supposedly under 20 every year.

Jacob is more a 10000m guy than 5000m. So the 3000m are much more far away for him than for Jakob. Jacobs Pr on 1500m is ridiculous (3:50). Jakob has a solid mark on the 5000m 13:02. and 2000m 4:50. (and 8:26 in the steeple with 16, incredible, nobody is talking about that )So my bets are on Jakob. What is sure there will be a tremendous improvement of PR for Jakob in the 3000m which is actually 8:00min.

Although i'm really impressed how Jacob outkicked the strong kicker Barega. So that 3000m race will be a lot of fun.

Freediverunner wrote:

Jacob is more a 10000m guy than 5000m. So the 3000m are much more far away for him than for Jakob.

This is probably fair.

That being said any great 5,000/10,000+ runner can run a very swift 3,000. Bekele and Kipchoge, who are endurance monsters who would struggle to break 3:50 in the mile yet can run 2:01 in the Marathon, still ran 7:25 and 7:27, respectively in not perfectly-paced races.

Paul Tergat, another endurance monster, ran 7:28. He might be most comparable if you believe that Kiplimo hasn't tapped into some more speed as he's matured.

Kiplimo should be able to hit 7:28-29, but I think Jakob if he's at his best can run 7:26-7, as it might be his best event long-term.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

"Kiplimo should be able to hit 7:28-29, but I think Jakob if he's at his best can run 7:26-7, as it might be his best event long-term"

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I agree with your time predictions and I think Jakob will be too fast a finisher for Jacob.

I, however, doubt the 3000m will be Jakob´s best distance in the long term. Jakob himself stated some few months ago that he considered the 5000m to be his best distance at the moment and the HM in the long term!

Remember: Even though Jakob focus mostly on the 1500m in these years his training has from the beginning been more suitable for long distance running.