Who will have a better career when all is said and done? Sydney McLaughlin or Jakob Ingebrigtsen?

In my opinion, Sydney will get more notoriety and medals. US sprint stars always do. However, in a more objective sense, the 400h is a less deep event so picking off a gold or silver every year is easier. Jakob runs the 15/5 which are much more competitive considering the east African talent and the Brits and US athletes upping their game. Jakob will snag medals surely, but Tim and others will always be right there with him. Meanwhile in the hurdles it's really just Dalilah and Sydney at this point. This is much like the men's hurdles, where 3 athletes are about a full second better than all comers (Warhlom, Benjamin, Samba). Kind of just a different ball game for each of the young stars in question.

as good as syd the kid is, she is a woman - which equates to earlier development/maturation ... comparing an event like the 400h hurdles to the male distant events is apples to oranges ... yes, both are young phenoms but what jacob has done in comparison thus far has been an incredible accomplish given the fact that there are many, many more competitors in his events.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

"McLaughlin looks destined for a World Record in the 400m hurdles at some point. Jakob *could* have a record or two down the road. It would most likely, in my eyes, be a slightly less prestigious one like the 2000, 3000 or 2 mile. Maybe the 1,500 or 5,000 if he experiences additional breakthroughs, but I rate him less likely to get a record in a championship event.

EDGE: McLaughlin

Medals-wise, Sydney has a 1-0 advantage, and they're both very young. Working against Jakob is McLaughlin's key competition, Dalilah Muhammad is 30 years old. Meanwhile, Jakob's key competitors in the 15 or 5 (Barega, T. Cheruiyot, Kejelcha, Cheptegei et al.) are younger. Jakob does have the advantage as he develops to potentially run the 15/5 if the schedule allows. McLaughlin may not consider the 400m even though she would have a chance there.

EDGE: McLaughlin"

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WRs:

Most people on these pages seem not to understand what they are witnessing or perhaps they don´t want to understand:

Jakob ran 3:28.68 in Monaco with no drafting for almost 3 laps. If Jakob had had the same perfect drafting as Filip and Wightman he would have run 1-2 seconds faster. That means that he at the age at 19 already is very close to the current WR in the 1500m at 3.26.00.

You state that he might come close this WR if he experiences additional "breakthroughs"!? Jakob has had steady "breakthroughs" (improvements) for at least the last 10 years due to his wellproven and disciplined mainly aerobic training so it would be much more surprising if these "breakthroughs" suddenly stopped in the age of 19.

2 more years of "breakthroughs" will mean that Jakob will break at least the WRs in the 1500m, the mile and the 2000m (if some fast wellpaced races are set up in the last ones).

Jakob himself considers the 5000m to be his strongest distance at the moment. This assumption is undoubtly based on the numbers from training and testing, including registration of the treshold pace which is a very good measure for his aerobic capacity.

So if Jakob is right about his 5000m ability the Etiophians and the Ugandan can very well have a nasty surprise next time they meet Jakob in the 5000m (or the 3000m).

Medals:

If the Olympics had been held this year it seems quite certain that Jakob would have got a medal in the 1500m. It would have been impossible for him to run the 5000m because of the narrow schedule; but he could very well have been a medal contender here as well. So in normal times Jakob, who is more than 1 year younger than Sydney, also would have an medal at 19.

And Jakob will most likely win more medals in coming Worlds and Olympics following his "growing up" (physical maturement).

Competitors:

For the moment only Cheruiyot is better in the 1500m and he is coming close to the mid twenties where most 1500m runners peak. Nobody else is close to Jakob in the 1500m (Wightman´s sensational run in Monaco is probably mainly due to perfect drafting for 1400m!)

In the 5000m there are more competitors but I still think that Jakob will be a clear medal contender next time he will run this distance in a major event.

Also remember: Jakob possible lost a medal in the 1500m last year in Doha because he doubled in the 5000m and the 1500m. And he was also close in the 5000m: If he had waited 100-200m before he made his move he would probably had got at least the bronze.

So if Jakob realize his potential for WRs and many future medals as he matures physically I think he will beat Sydney who I, however, consider a great athlete also.

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My predictions is of course under the condition that Jakob avoids serious ilness and injury and that he continues to train with determination and diligence as he has done up to now. But that goes for Sydney too.

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I don´t think their looks or ability to get sponsorships are relevant to determine who will have the better CAREER.

Good analysis. Who would win in a flat 400? McLaughlin or Jakob?

Jakob by 20 meters.

WinnytheBish wrote:

Good analysis. Who would win in a flat 400? McLaughlin or Jakob?

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Jakob with 2-3 seconds.

go go away wrote:

1:46 and you don't think he would run 49? You are crazy. He may even beat her in the 100 and 200 and he would crush her in her own event if running over the women's hurdles. Conversely, he would lap her in a 1500.

No. Sydney split 48.8r on the relay last year. I think

She would beat Jakob. He’s probably close, but slower nonetheless.

objectiveobserver wrote:

WinnytheBish wrote:

Good analysis. Who would win in a flat 400? McLaughlin or Jakob?

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Jakob with 2-3 seconds.

So Jakob could split 45? Let’s be realistic. Sydney would beat him.

da brain wrote:

objectiveobserver wrote:

WinnytheBish wrote:

Good analysis. Who would win in a flat 400? McLaughlin or Jakob?

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Jakob with 2-3 seconds.

So Jakob could split 45? Let’s be realistic. Sydney would beat him.

There is no way Jacob could beat McLaughlin by 2-3 seconds. I can't see Jakob running faster than mid 48s for a 400. Sydney at the worst would be about 1.5 seconds behind. In an open 400 coming out of blocks, I bet it would be pretty equal. Would Jakob even attempt to come out of blocks?

WinnytheBish wrote:

da brain wrote:

So Jakob could split 45? Let’s be realistic. Sydney would beat him.

There is no way Jacob could beat McLaughlin by 2-3 seconds. I can't see Jakob running faster than mid 48s for a 400. Sydney at the worst would be about 1.5 seconds behind. In an open 400 coming out of blocks, I bet it would be pretty equal. Would Jakob even attempt to come out of blocks?

I think Sydney wins on relay or out of blocks. She wins my more out of the blocks.

48.5 and 50.5 from stop. 46.9 and 49.2 on the fly.

He ran 1:46 in 1 try. Let's give him at least 1:45 if he runs it a few times. What is the slowest 400 possible? Guessing 48.5.

WinnytheBish wrote

"There is no way Jacob could beat McLaughlin by 2-3 seconds. I can't see Jakob running faster than mid 48s for a 400. Sydney at the worst would be about 1.5 seconds behind. In an open 400 coming out of blocks, I bet it would be pretty equal. Would Jakob even attempt to come out of blocks? "

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Well you asked this (hypothetical) question.

I doubt he will run a 400m again! The only 400m he has ever run in competition was a 51 at 16 in 2017. And yes, he had no experience in starting from blocks, so he lost probably a second on that account.

By the way: He ran this 400m in a Youth Championship in Norway in a weekend where he as far as I remember ran several other distances as well, including his last outdoor 3000m in 8:00.01 at the very same day as the 400m!

I hope he will concentrate on the longer distances (from 1500m and upwards).

I would like to see him in the 3000m which is reportedly added to the schedule in DL Rome.

It is in time to get an updated 3000m time. I think he has potential to run well under 7:30 if he is in the same shape as in DL Monaco.

Has Jakob changed anybody's opinions lately?

WinnytheBish wrote:

Has Jakob changed anybody's opinions lately?

I didn't get a response last time, but with Jakob's recent races does this sway things his way? I still think it's easily Sydney, but it's not feasible that Jakob could grab a medal here and there at a world championships. Sydney doesn't have gold yet either so it'll be interesting.

WinnytheBish wrote:

WinnytheBish wrote:

Has Jakob changed anybody's opinions lately?

I didn't get a response last time, but with Jakob's recent races does this sway things his way? I still think it's easily Sydney, but it's not feasible that Jakob could grab a medal here and there at a world championships. Sydney doesn't have gold yet either so it'll be interesting.

Do you know what “feasible” means?

kartelite wrote:

WinnytheBish wrote:

I didn't get a response last time, but with Jakob's recent races does this sway things his way? I still think it's easily Sydney, but it's not feasible that Jakob could grab a medal here and there at a world championships. Sydney doesn't have gold yet either so it'll be interesting.

Do you know what “feasible” means?

Weird typo. I meant it's not unreasonable.

You were completely wrong for sure.