[quote]#datamatters wrote:
Sensationalist headlines aside, 235 people, in the entire state, under 70, have died from COVID with no known (51), or unknown (184), underlying conditions.
How do you count the number of unknown underlying conditions? I don't follow
interested reader wrote:
In the interest of countering stupidity and disinformation, here is the past few weeks of daily cases and fatalities for Florida:
https://ibb.co/Bq3tGPrCases have been climbing steadily upward for nearly four weeks, since right about the time they opened the beaches back up. Fatalities fluctuate wildly, but have hovered at around close to about 2 per million population for about six weeks.
Lots of people will cherry pick stats to try to make a point.
Dead is dead.
Harder to mess with that number.
You want more cases? Test more. Or just make smoothed projections. Works great with a disease with so many people being asymptomatic or with mild symptoms. You can just make up numbers
Giles Corey wrote:
[quote]#datamatters wrote:
Sensationalist headlines aside, 235 people, in the entire state, under 70, have died from COVID with no known (51), or unknown (184), underlying conditions.
How do you count the number of unknown underlying conditions? I don't follow
Everybody in Georgia has an underlying condition. They are from Georgia!
The minute the media began reporting on Covid-19 and spoke of spiking, surging, and soaring numbers and the classic "bodies are piling up", everyone should have known we were being fed a bunch of BS.
This was not journalism, not reporting.
This was and is fear mongering.
Giles Corey wrote:
[quote]#datamatters wrote:
Sensationalist headlines aside, 235 people, in the entire state, under 70, have died from COVID with no known (51), or unknown (184), underlying conditions.
How do you count the number of unknown underlying conditions? I don't follow
Giles, they had 3 categories, Yes/No/Unknown. So giving the benefit of the doubt that EVERY unknown lacked an underlying condition (not likely) a total of 235, under 70, have died that did not have an underlying condition. You can break down almost any state in the union and find similar ratios.
3 dead in Norway last week. The country had a lot of infections in march, shut down way before Trump, and have kept it shut, about 5 infections a day now.
There is great Universities in the states ( I guess, it is only rumours though created by the attendants), but applied science, did anyone study that?
YMMV wrote:
macdaddy wrote:
“The model has been cited often by the White House and has informed its policymaking. But it may have led the administration astray: The IHME has consistently forecast many fewer deaths than most other models, largely because the IHME model projects that deaths will decline rapidly after the peak — an assumption that has not been borne out.“
“It’s not a model that most of us in the infectious disease epidemiology field think is well suited” to making projections about Covid-19, Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch told reporters.“
Oh good lord... this is too good!
Not only did your organization get funded by the gates - it’s projections have also been consistently proven as trash.
Rough morning for you ?
I couldn't care less about the modeled projections, they usually turn out to be wrong. This site presents the historical data on mortality and that is why I linked it. If you have a better link to Georgia's historical covid mortality data, feel free to post it up instead of looking for bullshit that I neither mentioned nor care about.
Crickets as usual from the fake news covidiots. Death rate STILL one-half of the U.S. average.
YMMV wrote:
Crickets as usual from the fake news covidiots. Death rate STILL one-half of the U.S. average.
But spiking, right? Getting nearer to average? And average caused by New York?
My questionsmarks are there because I do not know, but I am sure you do.
3 dead in Norway last week.
On average 6 new infections every day.
We will be way before Georgia to have a normal society.
That is what early testing and lockdown, and keeping it locked until safe gives you.
Applied science, did anyone of you right wing trumpers study that?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/23/lockdown-saved-no-lives-may-have-cost-nobel-prize-winner-believes/SprintTriathlon wrote:
We will be way before Georgia to have a normal society.
"Professor Levitt has now analysed the data from 78 nations with more than 50 reported cases of coronavirus."
"'I think lockdown saved no lives,' said the scientist,"
I trust a Nobel winner over an anonymous internet poster.
facts and reason wrote:
I trust a Nobel winner over an anonymous internet poster.
So, there is this about science and applied science in the US I do not get, the so called best Universities in the world, ripping money of the people, and still they just turn out idiots whereas common sense, free education for all including University degrees works as hell.
Look at the numbers.
*off
SprintTriathlon wrote:
YMMV wrote:
Crickets as usual from the fake news covidiots. Death rate STILL one-half of the U.S. average.
But spiking, right? Getting nearer to average? And average caused by New York?
My questionsmarks are there because I do not know, but I am sure you do.
3 dead in Norway last week.
On average 6 new infections every day.
We will be way before Georgia to have a normal society.
That is what early testing and lockdown, and keeping it locked until safe gives you.
Applied science, did anyone of you right wing trumpers study that?
From page 2:
" Spyke wrote:
57 deaths reported today in Georgia. 1000 new cases the day before. 7 day death average highest since re-opening.
Are we starting to see the signs of the predicted spike?
Lies. 150 deaths over the last four days. (+link)
A garbage thread leads to garbage results. No "spike". No high death rate, no nuthin'. Just garbage all up and down, with you just adding to it..."Pile on baby!"
The Sword of Science wrote:
zzzz wrote:
Most people don't want to be "processed" through COVID-19. If someone gets it bad enough get hospitalized, they have about a 17% chance of dying.
"Among 281 (92.1%) patients who were no longer hospitalized at the time of data abstraction, 48 (17.1%) died. Case fatality among patients aged 18–49 years, 50–64 years, and ≥65 years was 3.4%, 9.8%, and 35.6%, respectively (p<0.001)"
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6918e1.htmYour stats are WAY off, based on predictions from early on based on Italy, etc. Current estimates show about 20 to 50% of carriers are asymptomatic, so consider how that affects the fatality rate.
The chances of dying from COVID-19 if you are in the 0 to 49 age group is currently estimated by the CDC to be .05%:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
I was talking about if you have to be hospitalized, in reply to someone talking about hospitals not being overwhelmed.
Giles Corey wrote:
The minute the media began reporting on Covid-19 and spoke of spiking, surging, and soaring numbers and the classic "bodies are piling up", everyone should have known we were being fed a bunch of BS.
Two blocks from my house is a refrigerator tractor trailer. It's filled with bodies.
"Bodies piling up" is not an unreasonable description.
YMMV wrote:
SprintTriathlon wrote:
But spiking, right? Getting nearer to average? And average caused by New York?
My questionsmarks are there because I do not know, but I am sure you do.
3 dead in Norway last week.
On average 6 new infections every day.
We will be way before Georgia to have a normal society.
That is what early testing and lockdown, and keeping it locked until safe gives you.
Applied science, did anyone of you right wing trumpers study that?
From page 2:
" Spyke wrote:
57 deaths reported today in Georgia. 1000 new cases the day before. 7 day death average highest since re-opening.
Are we starting to see the signs of the predicted spike?
Lies. 150 deaths over the last four days. (+link)
A garbage thread leads to garbage results. No "spike". No high death rate, no nuthin'. Just garbage all up and down, with you just adding to it..."Pile on baby!"
What?
Giles Corey wrote:
Dead is dead.
Harder to mess with that number.
You want more cases? Test more. Or just make smoothed projections. Works great with a disease with so many people being asymptomatic or with mild symptoms. You can just make up numbers
You've got a point there. Actually Georgia did start to test more, so the cases uptick might be influenced by that.
On the other hand, typically death does not happen the day of testing, especially if you report your test dated to the day the sample was taken. Uptick in cases started the 12th of may, which is pretty consistant also with an easing of the stay at home order the 30th of april.
I would guestimate that death have had no reason to increase as of just yet, but could start as early as late this week or early next week.
I bookmark this thread so I can go back to it next week. I fully expect you to do the same and put it in my face if death count doesn't increase by then.
21 deaths.
Less than 57 by quite a bit I'd say.
[quote]expert of nothing wrote:
. Uptick in cases started the 12th of may, which is pretty consistant also with an easing of the stay at home order the 30th of april.
How's that?