Comrade sirpoc with another Chinese shoe testimonial on Strava. Curious about the duds though, which ones didn't work?
Personally very happy with Li-Ning (Red Hare 8 Pro, Challenger 5), Dynafish (1.0, new one always out of stock) is pretty good, and Xtep 7.0 work well for me.
Not sure about the Do-Win PB 3; they are bouncy af but they look and feel like some kid poorly glued them together during recess. Kinda wanna try their Adiclogs rip-off for a Marathon but I'm afraid of them falling apart by mile 15 or so.
What’s the point I’m missing of buying Chinese shoes? Seems sirpoc and others are taking chances and buying multiple pairs of them which is more money than buying one well researched western shoe with loads of reviews and stats available to make a sound decision.
You do realize most decent Western shoes last 600 miles easily? You really only need 3-4 pairs an entire year and with EBay you can get new ASICS, Mizuno, Adidas shoes from Japanese resellers selling shoes for $125 with free shipping.
Also I’m not sure I trust Chinese companies and their ethics. At least with New Balance, Brooks, Saucony in the U.S. you can see how they get involved some locally and give back to the community. I’d imagine Puma and Adidas do that too in Germany.
Comrade sirpoc with another Chinese shoe testimonial on Strava. Curious about the duds though, which ones didn't work?
Personally very happy with Li-Ning (Red Hare 8 Pro, Challenger 5), Dynafish (1.0, new one always out of stock) is pretty good, and Xtep 7.0 work well for me.
Not sure about the Do-Win PB 3; they are bouncy af but they look and feel like some kid poorly glued them together during recess. Kinda wanna try their Adiclogs rip-off for a Marathon but I'm afraid of them falling apart by mile 15 or so.
What’s the point I’m missing of buying Chinese shoes? Seems sirpoc and others are taking chances and buying multiple pairs of them which is more money than buying one well researched western shoe with loads of reviews and stats available to make a sound decision.
You do realize most decent Western shoes last 600 miles easily? You really only need 3-4 pairs an entire year and with EBay you can get new ASICS, Mizuno, Adidas shoes from Japanese resellers selling shoes for $125 with free shipping.
Also I’m not sure I trust Chinese companies and their ethics. At least with New Balance, Brooks, Saucony in the U.S. you can see how they get involved some locally and give back to the community. I’d imagine Puma and Adidas do that too in Germany.
Ah yes, US shoe manufacturers are famously ethical.
I’ve always been amazed at how many shoes Sirpoc buys. Seems like he tries new shoes every couple of days.
The thing about the supershoes and super trainers is that they last forever. Maybe not for race performance, but for training they are extremely durable. The shoe industry myth of a couple hundred miles per pair is total BS.
What’s the point I’m missing of buying Chinese shoes? Seems sirpoc and others are taking chances and buying multiple pairs of them which is more money than buying one well researched western shoe with loads of reviews and stats available to make a sound decision.
You do realize most decent Western shoes last 600 miles easily? You really only need 3-4 pairs an entire year and with EBay you can get new ASICS, Mizuno, Adidas shoes from Japanese resellers selling shoes for $125 with free shipping.
Also I’m not sure I trust Chinese companies and their ethics. At least with New Balance, Brooks, Saucony in the U.S. you can see how they get involved some locally and give back to the community. I’d imagine Puma and Adidas do that too in Germany.
Dude. Are you seriously saying US show companies are ethical? Just about every pair I've had is made in Asia and most in china. This is a wild statement.
The other point is worth considering, but when you are paying as low as £35 a shoe with super foam I think it's well worth trying them. I bought a pair of the dynafish, do-win and the challenger off Taobao for the price of the Evo SL, which is reasonably cheap itself. I could get 5 pairs for the price of a megablast/superblast. Which are also made in china .
What’s the point I’m missing of buying Chinese shoes? Seems sirpoc and others are taking chances and buying multiple pairs of them which is more money than buying one well researched western shoe with loads of reviews and stats available to make a sound decision.
You do realize most decent Western shoes last 600 miles easily? You really only need 3-4 pairs an entire year and with EBay you can get new ASICS, Mizuno, Adidas shoes from Japanese resellers selling shoes for $125 with free shipping.
Also I’m not sure I trust Chinese companies and their ethics. At least with New Balance, Brooks, Saucony in the U.S. you can see how they get involved some locally and give back to the community. I’d imagine Puma and Adidas do that too in Germany.
What do you mean ethics? You think western brands have ethics because they might make a token gesture even though they make all their shoes in the same sweatshops? You probably thing carbon offsetting is an ethical practice as well.
Sure, make the argument about the ethics of all shoe companies. Run barefoot or in a prober ethical shoe (of which there are some but terrible), then maybe you have a point.
Comrade sirpoc with another Chinese shoe testimonial on Strava. Curious about the duds though, which ones didn't work?
Personally very happy with Li-Ning (Red Hare 8 Pro, Challenger 5), Dynafish (1.0, new one always out of stock) is pretty good, and Xtep 7.0 work well for me.
Not sure about the Do-Win PB 3; they are bouncy af but they look and feel like some kid poorly glued them together during recess. Kinda wanna try their Adiclogs rip-off for a Marathon but I'm afraid of them falling apart by mile 15 or so.
What’s the point I’m missing of buying Chinese shoes? Seems sirpoc and others are taking chances and buying multiple pairs of them which is more money than buying one well researched western shoe with loads of reviews and stats available to make a sound decision.
You do realize most decent Western shoes last 600 miles easily? You really only need 3-4 pairs an entire year and with EBay you can get new ASICS, Mizuno, Adidas shoes from Japanese resellers selling shoes for $125 with free shipping.
Ethics comment aside, you're not totally wrong. I think if one is going to explore the Chinese shoe route, there is a bit of trial and error involved which may mean throwing out the duds. You also need to be strategic with coupons and sales, because I have seen cases where the regular price isn't really that much cheaper than traditional brand shoes. But I think if you can find models you like and buy at the right time as sirpoc has, there can be quite a bit of savings.
The flip side is I just bought a pair of Adidas Evo SL for $99 (plus 6% Rakuten). Sure this is a bit more expensive than say the Li-Ning Red Hare 8 but it's still a great deal for a known commodity.
What’s the point I’m missing of buying Chinese shoes? Seems sirpoc and others are taking chances and buying multiple pairs of them which is more money than buying one well researched western shoe with loads of reviews and stats available to make a sound decision.
You do realize most decent Western shoes last 600 miles easily? You really only need 3-4 pairs an entire year and with EBay you can get new ASICS, Mizuno, Adidas shoes from Japanese resellers selling shoes for $125 with free shipping.
Also I’m not sure I trust Chinese companies and their ethics. At least with New Balance, Brooks, Saucony in the U.S. you can see how they get involved some locally and give back to the community. I’d imagine Puma and Adidas do that too in Germany.
Dude. Are you seriously saying US show companies are ethical? Just about every pair I've had is made in Asia and most in china. This is a wild statement.
The other point is worth considering, but when you are paying as low as £35 a shoe with super foam I think it's well worth trying them. I bought a pair of the dynafish, do-win and the challenger off Taobao for the price of the Evo SL, which is reasonably cheap itself. I could get 5 pairs for the price of a megablast/superblast. Which are also made in china .
Not completely ethical but probably more ethical or at least transparent . When I lived in Seattle Brooks was pretty involved with community engagement. Sponsoring races to help cover expenses, providing equipment, clocks, organizing etc. Sure part of it is to get their name out there for marketing and sales but those are also things they didn’t have to do, like hosting weekly runs and run clubs.
Most Western companies at least make an effort for sustainable consumption. Local Seattle media watches big businesses closely and plays like a watch dog for more ethical business practices. Not sure the Chinese shoes companies are doing the same. There’s at least some transparency with US companies. Also there’s a big difference between shoes made in China by a US or German owned company vs a Chinese company making shoes in China.
Dude. Are you seriously saying US show companies are ethical? Just about every pair I've had is made in Asia and most in china. This is a wild statement.
The other point is worth considering, but when you are paying as low as £35 a shoe with super foam I think it's well worth trying them. I bought a pair of the dynafish, do-win and the challenger off Taobao for the price of the Evo SL, which is reasonably cheap itself. I could get 5 pairs for the price of a megablast/superblast. Which are also made in china .
Not completely ethical but probably more ethical or at least transparent . When I lived in Seattle Brooks was pretty involved with community engagement. Sponsoring races to help cover expenses, providing equipment, clocks, organizing etc. Sure part of it is to get their name out there for marketing and sales but those are also things they didn’t have to do, like hosting weekly runs and run clubs.
Most Western companies at least make an effort for sustainable consumption. Local Seattle media watches big businesses closely and plays like a watch dog for more ethical business practices. Not sure the Chinese shoes companies are doing the same. There’s at least some transparency with US companies. Also there’s a big difference between shoes made in China by a US or German owned company vs a Chinese company making shoes in China.
You are incredibly naïve.
No one is watching anyone in China. The only way to get any source of abuse in labour is to send someone undercover to work there, and good luck with that these days!
The company I work for had to put up a poster in the factory for workers to call if there is abuse, but no one is going near that poster with camera facing it and the chance of losing their jobs.
Anyone know what he's up to now? Looks like he's doing a sort of double threshold with the first session on the bike. On Tuesday he did 12 x 800 and today 24 x 400. I'm guessing this is in preparation for a 5k or something? Previously he had decided against the 400s so I was surprised to see that show up on strava.
Anyone know what he's up to now? Looks like he's doing a sort of double threshold with the first session on the bike. On Tuesday he did 12 x 800 and today 24 x 400. I'm guessing this is in preparation for a 5k or something? Previously he had decided against the 400s so I was surprised to see that show up on strava.
Maybe it was just a subtle sign of appreciation to this thread after reaching 400 pages.
Comrade sirpoc with another Chinese shoe testimonial on Strava. Curious about the duds though, which ones didn't work?
Personally very happy with Li-Ning (Red Hare 8 Pro, Challenger 5), Dynafish (1.0, new one always out of stock) is pretty good, and Xtep 7.0 work well for me.
Not sure about the Do-Win PB 3; they are bouncy af but they look and feel like some kid poorly glued them together during recess. Kinda wanna try their Adiclogs rip-off for a Marathon but I'm afraid of them falling apart by mile 15 or so.
What’s the point I’m missing of buying Chinese shoes? Seems sirpoc and others are taking chances and buying multiple pairs of them which is more money than buying one well researched western shoe with loads of reviews and stats available to make a sound decision.
You do realize most decent Western shoes last 600 miles easily? You really only need 3-4 pairs an entire year and with EBay you can get new ASICS, Mizuno, Adidas shoes from Japanese resellers selling shoes for $125 with free shipping.
Also I’m not sure I trust Chinese companies and their ethics. At least with New Balance, Brooks, Saucony in the U.S. you can see how they get involved some locally and give back to the community. I’d imagine Puma and Adidas do that too in Germany.
they’re probably made on a different floor in the same building as a vaporfly
Anyone know what he's up to now? Looks like he's doing a sort of double threshold with the first session on the bike. On Tuesday he did 12 x 800 and today 24 x 400. I'm guessing this is in preparation for a 5k or something? Previously he had decided against the 400s so I was surprised to see that show up on strava.
A few things. Firstly, I realised I talk about 400s a bit negatively. So, I thought I would do some. I still feel the same. It was definitely tougher on the legs. I used the tymewear (which I'm slowly working out how to use in a meaningful way) and all the rest of my experience I have gathered, and still realised you have to run them pretty fast to probably get the same benefit as the other pace/time ratios I do. My legs definitely feel a notch more beat up this morning.
As ever, I'm not saying don't do them. I did them. But, in my eyes the actual mechanical stress is the downside. Maybe I'm just fragile. But I wouldn't honesty fancy doing that every week. The only situation might be if you really only care about 5-10k shape, then there's a good reason for being at least semi staple. But even then, if you only care about the shorter stuff cheetodust has gone very vanilla and he's still very fast with really minimising the risk of everything he does.
Having said all of that, it was useful to find out what's possible as I haven't raced anything short in ages and gives me an idea of where I am at for a 5k in a few weeks. I've spoken about it in the book (almost there, life still getting in the way) where you can use sub-threshold workouts to give you the reality of where you are in an upcoming race in 2-3 weeks. That'll always mean you race better, as long as you accept the reality, as you can pitch pacing better.
As for the bike. Two reasons. Firstly, I don't think I can handle double threshold running in my life. In fact, I absolutely can't on a regular basis. That's very clear. Again, it's about fatigue management and accumulating load for as long as possible. If I did, I would need down weeks and then you are starting to lose the best bang for buck idea etc. It just doesn't fit into my hobby jogging life outside of running.
So cross training and looking around at what is working with some other people I have encountered, is telling me a bit of cross training for the regular time crunched guy falls into the best bang for buck pot. How much extra stimulus is it to a 7 hour running week with a couple of sub t cycling sessions thrown in? Probably not a huge amount. Is it something? Probably. The fatigue is absolutely minimal and by about 11am yesterday my body wouldn't have had a clue it had down a workout 3-4 hours previously, had their not been digital evidence of it.
Where I have effectively completed my own training system, you have to look for ways to scrape that barrel for the last bit. Maybe this is it, maybe not. We won't really find out for another 6 months or so. Not even 100% sure I'll stick to it. But, it's also nice to be able to jump on the bike for a couple of hours a week and still be able to hold onto my FTP from the summer cycling.
So the upside is, I can maybe jump blind into a few TT races next year on just a couple of hours a week training (maybe I'll fit in an easy ride somewhere to make it 3) and do pretty well with my really low CdA.
Anyone know what he's up to now? Looks like he's doing a sort of double threshold with the first session on the bike. On Tuesday he did 12 x 800 and today 24 x 400. I'm guessing this is in preparation for a 5k or something? Previously he had decided against the 400s so I was surprised to see that show up on strava.
A few things. Firstly, I realised I talk about 400s a bit negatively. So, I thought I would do some. I still feel the same. It was definitely tougher on the legs. I used the tymewear (which I'm slowly working out how to use in a meaningful way) and all the rest of my experience I have gathered, and still realised you have to run them pretty fast to probably get the same benefit as the other pace/time ratios I do. My legs definitely feel a notch more beat up this morning.
As ever, I'm not saying don't do them. I did them. But, in my eyes the actual mechanical stress is the downside. Maybe I'm just fragile. But I wouldn't honesty fancy doing that every week. The only situation might be if you really only care about 5-10k shape, then there's a good reason for being at least semi staple. But even then, if you only care about the shorter stuff cheetodust has gone very vanilla and he's still very fast with really minimising the risk of everything he does.
Having said all of that, it was useful to find out what's possible as I haven't raced anything short in ages and gives me an idea of where I am at for a 5k in a few weeks. I've spoken about it in the book (almost there, life still getting in the way) where you can use sub-threshold workouts to give you the reality of where you are in an upcoming race in 2-3 weeks. That'll always mean you race better, as long as you accept the reality, as you can pitch pacing better.
As for the bike. Two reasons. Firstly, I don't think I can handle double threshold running in my life. In fact, I absolutely can't on a regular basis. That's very clear. Again, it's about fatigue management and accumulating load for as long as possible. If I did, I would need down weeks and then you are starting to lose the best bang for buck idea etc. It just doesn't fit into my hobby jogging life outside of running.
So cross training and looking around at what is working with some other people I have encountered, is telling me a bit of cross training for the regular time crunched guy falls into the best bang for buck pot. How much extra stimulus is it to a 7 hour running week with a couple of sub t cycling sessions thrown in? Probably not a huge amount. Is it something? Probably. The fatigue is absolutely minimal and by about 11am yesterday my body wouldn't have had a clue it had down a workout 3-4 hours previously, had their not been digital evidence of it.
Where I have effectively completed my own training system, you have to look for ways to scrape that barrel for the last bit. Maybe this is it, maybe not. We won't really find out for another 6 months or so. Not even 100% sure I'll stick to it. But, it's also nice to be able to jump on the bike for a couple of hours a week and still be able to hold onto my FTP from the summer cycling.
So the upside is, I can maybe jump blind into a few TT races next year on just a couple of hours a week training (maybe I'll fit in an easy ride somewhere to make it 3) and do pretty well with my really low CdA.
I have a question for the NSM community. In reference to easy runs, a pace of 65% of MAS is recommended. Can this be converted to a percentage of maximum heart rate? Is 65% of MAS roughly equivalent to 65% of maximum heart rate, or is it closer to 70%?
I have a question for the NSM community. In reference to easy runs, a pace of 65% of MAS is recommended. Can this be converted to a percentage of maximum heart rate? Is 65% of MAS roughly equivalent to 65% of maximum heart rate, or is it closer to 70%?
The maximum heart rate should not exceed 70% of your maximum heart rate during easy running. That means an average between 64% and 67% of MHR for easy runs.
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