iHateSKINS wrote:
LOL. Jaimie Fullofshit refers to those who have busted his employee and his athlete as trolls.
TAKE DOWN SKINS!
Does anyone even wear skins to boycott/take down?
iHateSKINS wrote:
LOL. Jaimie Fullofshit refers to those who have busted his employee and his athlete as trolls.
TAKE DOWN SKINS!
Does anyone even wear skins to boycott/take down?
skyrefuge wrote:
Here are the Strava links to those two runs. I'm guessing the second one will stop working in the near future:
https://www.strava.com/activities/617260093https://www.strava.com/activities/617401996
Deleted. Screen shot still here:
http://imgur.com/tcB4LXFStravaman wrote:
Tracking MarathonMan wrote:This trick worked quite nicely for me, and the .CRS file I downloaded includes trackpoint data with timestamps. Unfortunately I only pulled one leg, the one which used to be at
https://www.strava.com/activities/617306643.
Did others pull any of these legs as CRS files before they were deleted? The one I have has some definite anomalies but others seem like they were even more clear cut.
Not up to date reading yet, but I have all of them, I think. I'll upload soon.
Here are all the CRS files I managed to grab. Also converted to gpx with timestamps.
I think I missed this one, not sure about any others:
https://www.strava.com/activities/617259988team1.kml is FB illiterate wrote:
Scrubbing comments and I assume blocking people. I can no longer post.
I used to be able to comment on the photos and the posts on MarathonManUK. Now I can only view comments. Does that mean I'm blocked? I guess publicly asking for data on the TomTom screenshot images was cause enough to get me blocked. How does that work? I never received any notification or email from FB about getting blocked.
Yes, you are blocked. I used to be able to post comment stoo and they have been scrubbed.
Stravaman wrote:
Tracking MarathonMan wrote:This trick worked quite nicely for me, and the .CRS file I downloaded includes trackpoint data with timestamps. Unfortunately I only pulled one leg, the one which used to be at
https://www.strava.com/activities/617306643.
Did others pull any of these legs as CRS files before they were deleted? The one I have has some definite anomalies but others seem like they were even more clear cut.
Not up to date reading yet, but I have all of them, I think. I'll upload soon.
Here are all the CRS files I managed to grab. Also converted to gpx with timestamps.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9jwt-MSVj50OHZRSmUtQXBESEUI think I missed this one, not sure about any others:
https://www.strava.com/activities/617259988Yep, He deleted the ridiculous 8 miler outside Flagstaff. However, we have downloaded the data, have screenshots of the strava page, have the GPS tracker data which supports the whole dang thing.
Hi, RY Team! Keeping you busy today! You did this to yourselves!
I love that Lindley dude. Brutal but effective.
I think RY can't block him, because they know each other in real life.
Think I got the screenshot of the"my grandmother " comment in Facebook, shameful to have to use her ambling distance in this
skyrefuge wrote:
HobbyJ wrote:One of these 6 is not like the others:http://imgur.com/7HMxMptYeah, and again, it's the pattern of the run even moreso than the pace that gives it away.
Except for the very first run on the very first day, where he appears to have run about 13 miles straight from the beach without taking a walking break, I can't find a segment *anywhere* (that seems legit) where he went more than two miles without a walk break.
But in that anomalous GPX, he suddenly did 8.1 miles without a single walk break, and his running pace was way faster than his normal "run" pace too.
Here is a comparison between the two:
http://imgur.com/a/obrhjFirst image is what almost all of his actual runs look like: a square-wave pattern alternating between running (the top of the wave, 8-9min/mile) and walking (the bottom of the wave, 15-20min/mile). Completely believable from everything we know about his running abilities/style.
Then the second image shows him going 8.1 miles without ever dipping below 7:34/mi.
In the first image, he drops to walking pace 13 TIMES within the first 8.1 miles. And that was on the second day, when he should have still been relatively fresh, and a mile lower in elevation.
Here are the Strava links to those two runs. I'm guessing the second one will stop working in the near future:
https://www.strava.com/activities/617260093https://www.strava.com/activities/617401996
Guys I've mentioned this a few times, listen, Strava show MOVING time, you can't use it to determine his breaks.
team1.kml wrote:
It will be interesting to see how they handle the majority of data which is missing (now that Joanna's account has been scrubbed, not including the Emporia and Laughlin segments which didn't show up in either place)...
This could be time consuming, but it would be helpful to link the TomTom tracks to the Strava tracks (both the ones that still exist (hopefully someone has been screenshotting those since they may disappear too)) and the ones that have been deleted.
We still have the tracker data which shows clearly when he was in the RV in my opinion. They are pretty much anything that goes back-to-back-to-back at 5-7 minutes per mile in the middle of the night. He was probably doing it during the day, too, in remote places.
One thing we don't have is the hand-written logs that RY bragged about in his video. Who were his witnesses? We could pretty readily associate the witnesses with the different tracks and identify people who could have been in collusion. Pipe dream, but if we get that data, that will be a simple task. Maybe someone who still gets correspondence from RY can ask for those as well.
The Strava version of the run from the broken down RV:
https://www.strava.com/activities/61739163112:28 pace, shorter than the TomTom screenshot:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-k5FknBZ3ebQ/V2WyJxrDffI/AAAAAAAAHn0/UbT3taWMO3oSk-wLl-jGrMusre9ynez2gCK4B/s1600/tomtom_may17_18_clip.jpghttps://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Khk1E4i2FS8/V2WzHEoVCqI/AAAAAAAAHoA/yOOrOUpFl2QEr27fQ_Sc2UvtRa39pyHKQCK4B/s640/run_from_RV.jpgSo he drops 2 min/mile is a mile, and he cropped the Strava run.
3.6 miles in 44min vs. 4.6 miles in 48 minutes. Do the math. He got in a car and forgot to shut it off...
HobbyJ wrote:
skyrefuge wrote:Here are the Strava links to those two runs. I'm guessing the second one will stop working in the near future:
https://www.strava.com/activities/617260093https://www.strava.com/activities/617401996Deleted. Screen shot still here:
http://imgur.com/tcB4LXF
haha, deleted in less than 30 minutes. My predictive powers challenge Nostradamus! I agree that it would be fun to see if we could trick them into deleting a legit track, but that wouldn't actually do anything to help the cause (and it would confuse people here too). Though I noticed that track had been "flagged" now too, presumably by another LR reader, so the RY team could just be using that to alert them to tracks that should be deleted, rather than actively reading the LR forum.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: xxxx
Date: Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Act now re: Robert Young
To: Jaimie Fuller
I am saying that we already KNOW that the data has been manipulated because cadence and heart rate are missing and one activity I identified has been cropped.
I am saying that the original data should be secured now before he can claim it was deleted. The original data must be what is analyzed by your panel, not this filtered nonsensical version he is putting in the public domain now.
The original data, some of it at least, is in his TomTom MySports account online.
On Jun 24, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Jaimie Fuller wrote:
You are suggesting that a forensic investigation of the data cannot determine if it's been manipulated?
Sent from my iPad
On 24.06.2016, at 21:39, xxxx wrote:
To be clear, I am suggesting that SKINS act immediately to secure Mr. Young's TomTom MySports account. That is where the original data lies. He is downloading from there, stripping data from it, and reuploading elsewhere.
I fear this "new" data will be the only thing available to your panel, leading to a farce of an "investigation" and a verdict of "inconclusive".
This is not a man's medical records, it's the same running data he's uploading publicly now, just in a more original, enriched state.
If he has nothing to hide and wants to be sponsored by you - demand the account information now and secure it so that only the panel can login.
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:39 AM, xxxx wrote:
Thanks really appreciate it. Just wanted to make you aware of the data manipulation that is currently taking place right now as Robert uploads his "data" for all to see.
https://www.facebook.com/marathonmanuk/posts/1032956866788571
He is cropping the runs, not showing the originals which would have cadence data (logging of actual footsteps to indicate a runner was wearing the device and it wasn't in a vehicle, and deleting activities that we point out as too fast.
On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Jaimie Fuller wrote:
Hi xxxx
I have absolutely no experience with this which is why we're appointing an independent panel. We will announce it next week, hopefully in first half.
I will not attempt to interpret the data myself. It would be a huge waste of my time and achieve nothing.
We will get to the truth
Cheers
Jaimie
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On 24 Jun 2016, at 8:04 PM, xxxx wrote:
Please act urgently and demand the original data now:
Robert Young is already manipulating his data. His TomTom watch captures heart rate and cadence, and the TomTom website can be used to view un-editable exercise data. Instead, he is already exporting this data and changing it. No ancillary data to suggest a real person was moving the GPS device at these ridiculous paces is viewable now.
Check out this 4.61 mile run he posted on Facebook a while ago:
Check out his Strava activity:
https://www.strava.com/activities/617391631
This one is slower, and the tail end of the original file has been cropped out (it's shorter). A high speed would be required to drop the average pace by 2 min/mi over just the missing part.
Likely an attempt to delete data that shows he hopped in a vehicle at this point and forgot to turn off his watch.
Of course, this Strava account where he is uploading non-original data curiously lacks any information from the night of June 4/5 (when he was caught twice in Emporia, KS), nor from the hours just after my example, when he supposedly "ran" 34 miles in 4 hours with hardly any water through the desert by himself...
Thank you,
xxxx
You know, even if deep down they didn't cheat.... that just means that they're in fact bumbling idiots when it comes to data integrity or even simple things like remembering to turn on and off their GPS watch for a WORLD RECORD.
But I think the court of public opinion is that they are all of the above.
1776 wrote:
I love that Lindley dude. Brutal but effective.
I think RY can't block him, because they know each other in real life.
We should forward the strava data to Lindley and then have him post it to Rob's FB. That should work!
Investigator wrote:
team1.kml wrote:It will be interesting to see how they handle the majority of data which is missing (now that Joanna's account has been scrubbed, not including the Emporia and Laughlin segments which didn't show up in either place)...
This could be time consuming, but it would be helpful to link the TomTom tracks to the Strava tracks (both the ones that still exist (hopefully someone has been screenshotting those since they may disappear too)) and the ones that have been deleted.
We still have the tracker data which shows clearly when he was in the RV in my opinion. They are pretty much anything that goes back-to-back-to-back at 5-7 minutes per mile in the middle of the night. He was probably doing it during the day, too, in remote places.
One thing we don't have is the hand-written logs that RY bragged about in his video. Who were his witnesses? We could pretty readily associate the witnesses with the different tracks and identify people who could have been in collusion. Pipe dream, but if we get that data, that will be a simple task. Maybe someone who still gets correspondence from RY can ask for those as well.
The Strava version of the run from the broken down RV:
https://www.strava.com/activities/61739163112:28 pace, shorter than the TomTom screenshot:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-k5FknBZ3ebQ/V2WyJxrDffI/AAAAAAAAHn0/UbT3taWMO3oSk-wLl-jGrMusre9ynez2gCK4B/s1600/tomtom_may17_18_clip.jpghttps://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Khk1E4i2FS8/V2WzHEoVCqI/AAAAAAAAHoA/yOOrOUpFl2QEr27fQ_Sc2UvtRa39pyHKQCK4B/s640/run_from_RV.jpgSo he drops 2 min/mile is a mile, and he cropped the Strava run.
3.6 miles in 44min vs. 4.6 miles in 48 minutes. Do the math. He got in a car and forgot to shut it off...
Good job finding that slipup.
"Guys I've mentioned this a few times, listen, Strava show MOVING time, you can't use it to determine his breaks."
You can when you line it up with the appropriate section of RV Tracker. Then you can see whether the RV stopped in the middle of that track anywhere.
From what I saw, he stopped the watch most every time he stops moving, hence the lot of 1 to 3 mile tracks during the day.
Investigator wrote:
Guys I've mentioned this a few times, listen, Strava show MOVING time, you can't use it to determine his breaks.
So what's your point? I wasn't using the Strava data to determine his breaks, and I don't know any reason why we should really care about his breaks. That's not where the interesting information is. And as noobrunner said, it's pretty clear from all the tracks that when he *actually* stops to take a break, he stopped his watch and started a new track when he began moving again.
Investigator wrote:
Guys I've mentioned this a few times, listen, Strava show MOVING time, you can't use it to determine his breaks.
I think it gives us a good enough picture of what's going on. Even if he paused every mile or less (for what?), there would be drastic slowing and ramping back up for each interval. The graph is pretty smooth.
IMO this is the smoking gun - especially since it's now been deleted:
http://imgur.com/tcB4LXF8 Sub-6 miles (including a 5:14 and a 5:32) at 7,000' in the middle of a transcon. Yehright. Even Rob knew it was telling and had to scrub it.
Fred Baker Strava account shows a 'Night ride' entered as a run?
skyrefuge wrote:
Investigator wrote:Guys I've mentioned this a few times, listen, Strava show MOVING time, you can't use it to determine his breaks.
So what's your point? I wasn't using the Strava data to determine his breaks, and I don't know any reason why we should really care about his breaks. That's not where the interesting information is. And as noobrunner said, it's pretty clear from all the tracks that when he *actually* stops to take a break, he stopped his watch and started a new track when he began moving again.
No quite a few have gaps between moving and elapsed time
