Good point. Meza’s timing chips were much better runners than he was.
Good point. Meza’s timing chips were much better runners than he was.
Mean't to say the above quote is from the LA Mag article, as is the below:
From LA Mag:
Not knowing what to do, her father called her. “I said, ‘You can’t defend yourself right now. All they want is to see you run a marathon.’ ”
That was Meza’s stated plan. He would run Chicago in October and clear his name. It’s what he told friends, colleagues, Burfoot, even the boys at Loyola. But on May 12 he was running near Debs Pond when he reported having trouble breathing. “I saw him hunched over with hands on his knees,” said Tartof, who was with him. In June a cardiologist diagnosed him with mitral valve prolapse, resulting in a backflow of blood, possibly from a torn muscle in his heart, and was scheduled for surgery. He would not be able to run a marathon for a long time, if ever. “He knew he could never prove himself,” Tina said.
The timeline on this 'heart condition' is totally wrong.
Not going through the thread (MI's investigation reports were between May 29 and July 4), but the "Stated plan. He would run Chicago in October and clear his name. " was long after May 12, yet he somehow went back in time to create a heart condition.
Just another lie now being cemented into reality by his family.
I get the opinion of the psychologist quoted, where professional people reach for other 'successes' because they don'y/no longer get it at work
You can be the world's biggest donor but people will look up to you and buy you a coffee simple for winning a ParkRun
June 25th, Derek published this where he told the boys one story and the coaches another...
The lamag article mentions the family placing Frank's medals on a table. I remembered a pic of his medals from the thread and thought I remembered something odd about the pic. I plugged "Frank Meza's medals" into the googalator and the image I recalled was there. What's odd ( to me) is that the top medal was from the 2014 CIM Marathon which he was dq'd from. Not sure what that means about a person. Denial of facts, trying to act as if it didn't happen, I don't know what. Also was it co-incidence that medal was on top, or was it purposely placed there? Who knows, I just thought it was odd. Not sure I'd even keep it if I'd been dq'd.
Hidden fences wrote:
The lamag article mentions the family placing Frank's medals on a table. I remembered a pic of his medals from the thread and thought I remembered something odd about the pic. I plugged "Frank Meza's medals" into the googalator and the image I recalled was there. What's odd ( to me) is that the top medal was from the 2014 CIM Marathon which he was dq'd from. Not sure what that means about a person. Denial of facts, trying to act as if it didn't happen, I don't know what. Also was it co-incidence that medal was on top, or was it purposely placed there? Who knows, I just thought it was odd. Not sure I'd even keep it if I'd been dq'd.
As far as I understand it Frank was dq'd for irregular splits. He agreed that his splits were indeed irregular and did not contest it.
He did not admit to course cutting or cheating of any kind or that his overall time was incorrect. Basically he was dq'd due to a malfunctioning of their timing equipment and not through any fault of his own...so why not keep the hard earned finishers medal?
thoughts and prayers wrote:
As far as I understand it Frank was dq'd for irregular splits. He agreed that his splits were indeed irregular and did not contest it.
He did not admit to course cutting or cheating of any kind or that his overall time was incorrect. Basically he was dq'd due to a malfunctioning of their timing equipment and not through any fault of his own...so why not keep the hard earned finishers medal?
No, he was DQ-ed because the fast split was presented to him and he agreed that he "couldn't run that fast".
The timing equipment does not malfunction for one particular person only by giving him a wrong time stamp, and even if it did so for a group of people or the entire field, the software would correct that.
thoughts and prayers wrote:
As far as I understand it Frank was dq'd for irregular splits. He agreed that his splits were indeed irregular and did not contest it.
He did not admit to course cutting or cheating of any kind or that his overall time was incorrect. Basically he was dq'd due to a malfunctioning of their timing equipment and not through any fault of his own...so why not keep the hard earned finishers medal?
Did someone suggest that the "online reputation management" people had gone away ? This suggests otherwise.
It is rather incredible the lengths people will go to in order to blame the timing equipment for people cheating.
thoughts and prayers wrote:
Hidden fences wrote:
The lamag article mentions the family placing Frank's medals on a table. I remembered a pic of his medals from the thread and thought I remembered something odd about the pic. I plugged "Frank Meza's medals" into the googalator and the image I recalled was there. What's odd ( to me) is that the top medal was from the 2014 CIM Marathon which he was dq'd from. Not sure what that means about a person. Denial of facts, trying to act as if it didn't happen, I don't know what. Also was it co-incidence that medal was on top, or was it purposely placed there? Who knows, I just thought it was odd. Not sure I'd even keep it if I'd been dq'd.
As far as I understand it Frank was dq'd for irregular splits. He agreed that his splits were indeed irregular and did not contest it.
He did not admit to course cutting or cheating of any kind or that his overall time was incorrect. Basically he was dq'd due to a malfunctioning of their timing equipment and not through any fault of his own...so why not keep the hard earned finishers medal?
This is correct.
Truth. wrote:
thoughts and prayers wrote:
As far as I understand it Frank was dq'd for irregular splits. He agreed that his splits were indeed irregular and did not contest it.
He did not admit to course cutting or cheating of any kind or that his overall time was incorrect. Basically he was dq'd due to a malfunctioning of their timing equipment and not through any fault of his own...so why not keep the hard earned finishers medal?
This is correct.
Yes, that is true.
Truth. wrote:
This is correct.
Sockpuppet Detected
I am Sam wrote:
Victim hood wrote:
Murphy deflected and played the victim card in that article.
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He certainly didn't do the cheating...only the uncovering of evidence .
Look forward to him outing more cheaters.
It was weird. At one point he said something to the effect of that he was bullied on the internet like Meza too, but didn't commit suicide. Strange thought process. But if I put myself in his shoes after being a major part of this tragedy and he guilt I would feel, I'm not sure what would come out of my mouth either.
This whole saga has been tragic.
Six minutes late wrote:
Truth. wrote:
This is correct.
Yes, that is true.
Wow, are you guys being paid by a widow who has lost her husband to suicide. What are you 'morgue chasers'? making money out of the misery of victims?
And the best you can do is damage the reputation of Frank even further.
thoughts and prayers wrote:
Hidden fences wrote:
The lamag article mentions the family placing Frank's medals on a table. I remembered a pic of his medals from the thread and thought I remembered something odd about the pic. I plugged "Frank Meza's medals" into the googalator and the image I recalled was there. What's odd ( to me) is that the top medal was from the 2014 CIM Marathon which he was dq'd from. Not sure what that means about a person. Denial of facts, trying to act as if it didn't happen, I don't know what. Also was it co-incidence that medal was on top, or was it purposely placed there? Who knows, I just thought it was odd. Not sure I'd even keep it if I'd been dq'd.
As far as I understand it Frank was dq'd for irregular splits. He agreed that his splits were indeed irregular and did not contest it.
He did not admit to course cutting or cheating of any kind or that his overall time was incorrect. Basically he was dq'd due to a malfunctioning of their timing equipment and not through any fault of his own...so why not keep the hard earned finishers medal?
The irregular splits were only part of the evidence that CIM had. CIM also mentioned he was missing from photos, failed to display race number at times, and several other pieces of evidence that showed malicious cheating.
This thread is really devolving into weirdness. Why keep it open? Is there anything at all left to flush out of this thing?
The Mooch wrote:
This thread is really devolving into weirdness. Why keep it open? Is there anything at all left to flush out of this thing?
"Online reputation" trolls seem to be attempting a bit of "Astroturfing" as they would describe it.
The Mooch wrote:
This thread is really devolving into weirdness. Why keep it open? Is there anything at all left to flush out of this thing?
For some people this thread is literally their job.
bikerrunner wrote:
The Mooch wrote:
This thread is really devolving into weirdness. Why keep it open? Is there anything at all left to flush out of this thing?
For some people this thread is literally their job.
Personally, I like the guy who has taken on a moniker that includes someone who was caught cheating at marathons a decade ago. Some people never get over things, brother. I wonder if he's STILL watching Kip Litton. lol and sad
The Mooch wrote:
This thread is really devolving into weirdness. Why keep it open? Is there anything at all left to flush out of this thing?
^Seems to me someone said the same thing about 10, 20, or 30 pages ago.
Looks like people still had/have things to discuss.
Most recently, consensus emerged that existence (or severity) of Frank's heart condition was recently shown to be "suspect".
Nobody really dove into whether Frank had accomplices, during - or after the fact.
The next photo to appear might have been a family member loading up "the bike" on a car carrier?
The thread will die down on its own.
Who benefits when the thread is censored?
Ernest wrote:
The Mooch wrote:
This thread is really devolving into weirdness. Why keep it open? Is there anything at all left to flush out of this thing?
^Seems to me someone said the same thing about 10, 20, or 30 pages ago.
Looks like people still had/have things to discuss.
Most recently, consensus emerged that existence (or severity) of Frank's heart condition was recently shown to be "suspect".
Nobody really dove into whether Frank had accomplices, during - or after the fact.
The next photo to appear might have been a family member loading up "the bike" on a car carrier?
The thread will die down on its own.
Who benefits when the thread is censored?
I don't believe any of those issues or open or relevent:
There was absolutely no way he was going run in Chicago. I didn't see any videos of him running, but based on the stills he could have only briefly held 2:50 pace. His years of pathological cheating and the bike photograph would be 10 times more damning than making up an excuse not to run Chicago.
He didn't need an accomplice. All he had to do was keep circling back to retrieve his bike. If he did have an accomplice, it would have been someone outside of his circle of friends and family that he paid $100. No friend or family member would encourage such self-destructive behavior.
Meza valued that CIM medal, that he cheated to get, more than life itself. When your priorities are so skewed, and your family & friends are enabling such madness, it’s only going to get worse.