Is anybody watching the trial? Two things we learned from the girlfriend this morning:
1)GF overdosed and spent 6 days in the hospital in March 2020 and she described him as foaming around the mouth when he went to the hospital
2)GF called her "Mama" and she was in his phone as "Mama"
Its just totally shocking that a career criminal, high on drugs, resisting arrest ended up dead!
wazzu1452 wrote:
Reasonable doubt is supposed to be the standard. How is there not, at the very least, reasonable doubt about whether Floyd died from being restrained as opposed to overdosing?
I posted this article and explanation on another thread. I thought I saw your post on this thread but seeing as you asked I figured I would post it again
First I will give you some things that I knew before reading the article, as I have some knowledge base in the area
1) You cannot say that someone it has taken a lethal Dose of opiates like fentanyl based just on their blood level. The amount of tolerance that can develop through use over time is staggering
2) fentanyl fatalities are almost always the result of respiratory depression
3) Methamphetamine counteracts respiratory depression
4) Respiratory depression is normally preceded by sedation to unconsciousness. GF’s behavior prior to the knee to the neck is inconsistent with what one would expect prior to unconsciousness and death due to respiratory depression
The article noted most of those points. It also noted that
1) There are bio markers of opiate dependence, and GF’s blood indicated that he had a significant dependence. Tolerance goes with dependence
2) it reminded me that post-Mortem shifts complicate the interpretation of blood levels
It appeared that 6 of 7 experts said homicide, and one said they didn’t have enough evidence to come to a conclusion.
I am not particularly knowledgeable with regards to the law so I can’t really speak to manslaughter versus homicide for this case, but certainly anyone claiming that the toxicology reports provides conclusive evidence that fentanyl killed GF should reassess how they process data.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/health/george-floyd-fentanyl/2021/03/10/c3d4f328-76ec-11eb-9537-496158cc5fd9_story.html%3foutputType=ampwazzu1452 wrote:
He forced his way into a woman's house and robbed her at gun point, then got out of prison and tried to pass off counterfeit bills while high on drugs.
Now he is dead.
Not shocking at all. This is how it always ends when you are high on drugs combining crimes.
Justified execution then, right?
I just don't care that GF died.
Career criminals on drugs die every day.
What comes around.........
What I do know is that has ZERO to do with "racism" or "systemic racism".
(Minneapolis is 100% run by WOKE liberals)
A cop fed up with dealing with career dirtbags on drugs got a little physical. OK.
Dock him some pay and let's move on........
yawn wrote:
Why is his girlfriend testifying? What could she possibly add other then emotional drama. Prosecutors have a very weak case indeed if this is their angle.
The prosecution is using the girlfriend to establish that Floyd was a long time opioid addict, so that the prosecution can later argue that the lethal levels of fentanyl in Floyd's system weren't actually lethal for a long time addict who had built up a tolerance.
And yes, they obviously want her to appeal to the jury's emotions.
You think referencing a source that had one of the biggest media scandals in years is a wise move?
Muldoon wrote:
yawn wrote:
Why is his girlfriend testifying? What could she possibly add other then emotional drama. Prosecutors have a very weak case indeed if this is their angle.
The prosecution is using the girlfriend to establish that Floyd was a long time opioid addict, so that the prosecution can later argue that the lethal levels of fentanyl in Floyd's system weren't actually lethal for a long time addict who had built up a tolerance.
And yes, they obviously want her to appeal to the jury's emotions.
I think it will hurt their case though. She testified she took him to the hospital because his stomach hurt. In the video from March, he complained his stomach hurt. He had opioids in his system on both occasions.
yawn wrote:
You think referencing a source that had one of the biggest media scandals in years is a wise move?
So no comments on the facts contained therein? Just ad hominem?
A cop with a history of being a jerk who finally screwed up big time. Life in prison is where this garbage heap belongs.
Muldoon wrote:
yawn wrote:
Why is his girlfriend testifying? What could she possibly add other then emotional drama. Prosecutors have a very weak case indeed if this is their angle.
The prosecution is using the girlfriend to establish that Floyd was a long time opioid addict, so that the prosecution can later argue that the lethal levels of fentanyl in Floyd's system weren't actually lethal for a long time addict who had built up a tolerance.
And yes, they obviously want her to appeal to the jury's emotions.
If so, god help them. What? Long-time opioid addicts don't overdose? Does that also rule out the meth in his system contributing to his cardiac arrest?
"but certainly anyone claiming that the toxicology reports provides conclusive evidence that fentanyl killed GF should reassess how they process data."
Floyd’s blood tested positive for 4ANPP, methamphetamine, fentanyl, and norfentayl. Baker added that the levels of drugs in Floyd’s system would be a “fatal level under normal circumstances.”
surveysays wrote:
Not all areas are the same wrote:
Was GF unconscious when DC needed to use the knee on the head and neck to restrain him?
Why is getting facts straight so hard?
Did he kneel on an unconscious man? Why is getting facts straight so hard for you?
NO! GF was not unconscious when they wrestled him flat on to the ground and restrained him while waiting for the ambulance. If he became unconscious, or if he died of an OD, or if he died of a heart attack, or died cardiac arrest I don't know. But what I know is I have never seen a police officer kneel on an unconscious person expecting them to become active, but have seen plenty of restraints used to calm a person down, and this is the only one where the restraint is being blamed for the death.
Let it Rupp wrote:
Muldoon wrote:
The prosecution is using the girlfriend to establish that Floyd was a long time opioid addict, so that the prosecution can later argue that the lethal levels of fentanyl in Floyd's system weren't actually lethal for a long time addict who had built up a tolerance.
And yes, they obviously want her to appeal to the jury's emotions.
If so, god help them. What? Long-time opioid addicts don't overdose? Does that also rule out the meth in his system contributing to his cardiac arrest?
You can see people in this thread pretending that long time addicts don't overdose.
I think it's the only reasonable way the prosecution can address that serious flaw in their case. Arguing that Chauvin's knee killed Floyd moments before the fentanyl would have killed him is too much of a stretch. They have to argue that Floyd would have survived his fentanyl ingestion.
Obviously you were unwilling or unable to process the information I presented. It addresses the statement you listed. So yes, you should reassess how you process data.
Not all areas are the same wrote:
surveysays wrote:
Did he kneel on an unconscious man? Why is getting facts straight so hard for you?
NO! GF was not unconscious when they wrestled him flat on to the ground and restrained him while waiting for the ambulance. If he became unconscious, or if he died of an OD, or if he died of a heart attack, or died cardiac arrest I don't know. But what I know is I have never seen a police officer kneel on an unconscious person expecting them to become active, but have seen plenty of restraints used to calm a person down, and this is the only one where the restraint is being blamed for the death.
Chauvin’s knee was on an unconscious Floyd. Why are facts straight so hard for you?
Star wrote:
Seeing some of the testimony from the cashier:
He feels kind of sick that his reporting of a fake twenty lead to his death.
But I am wondering how police arrived on the scene so fast to catch someone who passed a fake twenty.
More serious and violent crimes often get slower responses.
And the officer that showed up happened to be someone who had prior personal grievances with Floyd.
It just could have been that they were on rounds closer to the location.
I personally don’t believe anything else matters beyond the 9:46 seconds. That is when the police had a duty to PROTECT and serve this would include Mr. Floyd.
I cannot trust a source who literally made up quotes for political gain.
Reflection_ wrote:
Star wrote:
Seeing some of the testimony from the cashier:
He feels kind of sick that his reporting of a fake twenty lead to his death.
But I am wondering how police arrived on the scene so fast to catch someone who passed a fake twenty.
More serious and violent crimes often get slower responses.
And the officer that showed up happened to be someone who had prior personal grievances with Floyd.
It just could have been that they were on rounds closer to the location.
I personally don’t believe anything else matters beyond the 9:46 seconds. That is when the police had a duty to PROTECT and serve this would include Mr. Floyd.
Ummmm, Ok............. SMH
yawn wrote:
I cannot trust a source who literally made up quotes for political gain.
Well the good news is there are other sources within. But the real truth is that you don’t like the facts they present.