Now that is ironic!
Now that is ironic!
The wikipedia article has been updated to include a quote from his website denying cheating.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_HP_Young#Fastest_trans-American_run_attempt
Updated wrote:
Robert Young explains how he records running data for verification purposes.
From his facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1024055304345394From his website:
https://t.co/u6yJzdoVM6
In the video he selected 3,000 miles as the distance he needs to run, then says others may disagree? How far did the prior record holder go? There are no standards for measuring this at all. He is making up the rules. He also says he sometimes forgets to hit start and stop on his gps watch recording. If you are so focused on the importance of 3,000 miles you don't forget to start the watch.
I have never once forgotten to start my watch anytime I have ever started running. It's automatic to do this. He speaks to this as a regular occurrence.
It is good that he is explaining his side of things. I think that he clearly finished 3rd in the age group triathlon as he claimed.
However I am surprised that he is just using the two TomTom watches as shown. I own one of these watches (and it doesn't hold that much data).
When he shows the data this will be the total amount he ran (in that saved segment).
Can someone please verify the numbers, to me it looked as though watch 1 showed:
June 8 8.4 miles
June 8 7 miles
June 7 3 miles
June 6 4 miles
June 4 8 miles
June 4 3 miles
June 4 4 miles
June 4 3 miles
On watch 2, this seems to show:
June 9 2 miles
June 9 5 miles
June 9 4 miles
June 9 8 miles
June 9 9 miles
June 8 8 miles
June 8 13 miles
June 8 3 miles
June 8 4 miles
113 wrote:
50 miles in, and he's out in the desert running with this guy:
http://www.marathonmanuk.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/rob-and-coop-1024x680.jpgI can't figure out where this picture is taken.
It's on Theodore Street in Moreno Valley where the time stamp "14:38:47 14-May" is on the Rob's map. Rob is running north. The brown rocky hill in the background is part of the Lake Perris area.
113 wrote:In Riverside, there is another split in the routes, which is not mentioned in the blog. There is reference to taking a shortcut over a hill while being accompanied on a bike:
Then we headed off to get onto the 60 Interstate Highway. On the way Rob spied a shortcut, or what looked like a short cut. Across some dunes it was difficult to say for sure if it was feesible. But off we went, with Rob keen to cut off any corners he could, knowing his planned route was much further than the minimum 2,766 miles required for the record. I accompanied Rob on my bicycle, racing ahead to see if it was manageable. It was. Just. Full of snake holes we were vigilant in case one made an appearance. The last part, climbing up to reach the 60 was the toughest.
This is the insane "shortcut" captured here:
http://www.marathonmanuk.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Dunes-1024x576.jpg(I can't figure out how to get timestamps on those last two photos. Can anyone help?)
This whole "shortcut to get onto 60" thing makes no sense. There is a ping from the tracker in the middle of the foothills between Gilman Springs road and Highway 60, in east Moreno Valley. This means that a) Young was wearing the tracker; it was not on the RV, and b) he chose to try a shortcut over a hill through snakeholes that would save maybe a half a mile. Maybe.
If it was Young wearing the tracker, then what do we make of the bizarre zigzagging and backtracking between 10:30 and 11:30 near the Mission Grove Mall? How does the tracker cover 4 miles between 10:00 and 10:12? And why is there a completely separate route shown several miles north of the tracking data?
Anyway, they get into Banning at 10pm. That's 81 miles in either 23 or 26 hours.
Unlike the Mojave desert story, I don't have a reasonable guess as to what actually happened here. I know that getting out of southern California on foot is really, really hard, and they brag in the blog about not planning at all. I have a feeling they learned pretty quickly that they were dramatically underestimating the difficulty of the whole deal, and may have cut some corners, putting Rob in the RV for some of the completely unrunnable stretches of traffic-choked streets. You can already see the justification in the blog post: "But off we went, with Rob keen to cut off any corners he could, knowing his planned route was much further than the minimum 2,766 miles required for the record."
This is what I was questioning last night on the top of p. 29 of this thread. Why the zig-zagging back and forth on Alessandro in Riverside near the Trautwein intersection in Mission Grove, unless maybe they took Rob to get some food further east on Alessandro (there are restaurants there) and then back to where he was. But if so, did they take him back to where they picked him up, or did they skip the big long hill up Alessandro from Arlington? This is why gps data would be important for Rob to post.
Regarding the shortcut onto Highway 60 near Gillman Springs in Moreno Valley east of Riverside, I saw that on Rob's tracker and thought, Why the heck would he cut across offroad through all that brush? But it is doable as you see him climbing up onto the shoulder of Highway 60 east of Moreno Valley.
And I must say, running along the shoulder of Highway 60 from Moreno Valley to Beaumont would be miserable. That is a narrow highway and the road is not flat. It goes up and down and curves on steep hills in that stretch known as the "badlands." The traffic is fast and the road is overcrowded 24/7. I've never heard of anyone who's run or biked along that. It would be miserable and dangerous because the shoulder is narrow and the traffic is so fast. A local bike race that goes through that area (the Breathless Agony Century) goes around that to the south on much flatter roads, but it's a little longer that way.
CoachKev wrote:
Do you agree Rob is a liar, because he copied this picture?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Robert_Young_Cycling_tt.jpgJust a 'yes or no' answer, please. No more excuses.
No because I don't know if this is Rob or not, I agree it doesn't especially look like him but in this picture the youngish guy at the back does look like him if you zoom in.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Robert_Young_(triathlete)#/media/File:Robert_Young_team_time_trial_cycling.jpg
I don't know this for sure at all but as you asked I am giving an opinion, it may not be Rob but it looks like him to me[/quote]
Robert Young was never a Professional cyclist with Milram. Rosters for all 5 years of the team's existence are available here:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/teams/2006/team-milram/Not sure why he would want to be associated with those dopers anyway.
Wah Wah wrote:
Updated wrote:Robert Young explains how he records running data for verification purposes.
From his facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1024055304345394From his website:
https://t.co/u6yJzdoVM6In the video he selected 3,000 miles as the distance he needs to run, then says others may disagree? How far did the prior record holder go? There are no standards for measuring this at all. He is making up the rules. He also says he sometimes forgets to hit start and stop on his gps watch recording. If you are so focused on the importance of 3,000 miles you don't forget to start the watch.
I have never once forgotten to start my watch anytime I have ever started running. It's automatic to do this. He speaks to this as a regular occurrence.
"This isn't about me (Robert Young), I don't care about the record, I care about bringing hope and inspiration to kids, by me going to - - - I spent all my life savings to go to give talks to the kids at schools and going to do these things and means more about - - I am carrying on rambling about these things I am very passionate about kids, about inspiring them, bringing some hope to them and that's why I am doing it and that's it."
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There is no rule.
I would think you just take your mileage divide it by the days you have run and compare the overall average mileage per day. That seems to be the only reasonable way to do it.
Anyone notice on Wikipedia how his prior "10k pr" of 30:47 became a 7k pr of 30:47... You know, reasonable mix up
He should probably list his 17K PR while he is at it, as those are raced as often as 7Ks
Updated wrote:
Robert Young explains how he records running data for verification purposes.
From his facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1024055304345394From his website:
https://t.co/u6yJzdoVM6
Brilliant video and thanks for sharing.
Joe mama wrote:
Anyone notice on Wikipedia how his prior "10k pr" of 30:47 became a 7k pr of 30:47... You know, reasonable mix up
Did he change that or did someone else? His web page still has it as a 10k.
Don't take Wikipedia too seriously.
Wah Wah wrote:
Updated wrote:Robert Young explains how he records running data for verification purposes.
From his facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1024055304345394From his website:
https://t.co/u6yJzdoVM6As per the video at about 5:08 in they claim they don't have the internet to upload the data? Then how the heck are they posting these videos and blog updates?
When I finish a run it automatically syncs to Garmin connect and Strava. Assume TomTom does the same. Sync with the computer with the charging cable that is on the internet you are using for this video and blog posts if you must.
As is often said, if it isn't on Strava it didn't happen! Heck, Strava would probably even want to sponsor this.
you don't even need the internet, just a phone with bluetooth
What is a 7k PR?
Never heard of that distance. But I am only running for almost 32 years.
And why is his wikipedia page changing in the last 2 days?
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robert_HP_Young&action=history
bluetooth it wrote:
Wah Wah wrote:As per the video at about 5:08 in they claim they don't have the internet to upload the data? Then how the heck are they posting these videos and blog updates?
When I finish a run it automatically syncs to Garmin connect and Strava. Assume TomTom does the same. Sync with the computer with the charging cable that is on the internet you are using for this video and blog posts if you must.
As is often said, if it isn't on Strava it didn't happen! Heck, Strava would probably even want to sponsor this.
you don't even need the internet, just a phone with bluetooth
Exactly, most watches will upload via your phone by bluetooth. Each and every run segment should have been on Strava the entire time, or Tom Tom or Garmin Connect - where ever - just somewhere it can be fully vetted by any and all interested independent parties.
He needs to call it quits and try again another time when this can be done.
He doesn't get to define the terms of if the running is being done or not. Needs to be determined by others and in this case LRC is acting as the proxy for the running community.
Upload the data Rob and the scrutiny will go away.
CoachKev wrote:
Brilliant video and thanks for sharing.
Could you explain what is brilliant about this piece of video?
I see a rather nervous guy not addressing some of the legitimate questions that are raised here and on other platforms. Plus it seems strange not to upload any data from his TomToms but instead quickly flashing some stuff saying 'look, it's all here.'
Also: Complaining about lack of internet access but still being able to upload a 10min video, but not a few .gpx's that will maybe make up about 2MB a day.
Markus wrote:
What is a 7k PR?
Never heard of that distance. But I am only running for almost 32 years.
And why is his wikipedia page changing in the last 2 days?
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robert_HP_Young&action=history
Hello?
It's one more than a 6K, but one less than an 8K.
You may not know, but Rob does.
Wow, he comes off as unbelievably nervous in that video. And he goes to great lengths to list all of the many different ways that they are capturing this...none of which are as reliable and as simple as a Garmin + HR monitor + Strava!
I mean, what the hell is that thing in his shorts, and what is it adding? What is the box in the front of the van that pings and sends emails? He's driving through the middle of America, not a third-world country.
I like: "We've even had the cops sign the log book." Quick, somebody call Guiness -- we have irrefutable evidence! Good lord.
That video should've been 30 seconds long: "I wear this Garmin and this HR monitor, and we sync to Strava after every run. Period." Me thinks he doth protest too much....
A media company like Flotrack can't stream an organized meet due to lack of bandwidth and you guys think this guy can find wifi out in the middle of nowhere?
The journalist from CCTV is amazing:
"I am Associated Press Photographer of the Year twice: 2014 and 2013."
No you aren't, because there is no such award.
You won an award in the Class 2 television division for the Associated Press Television Radio Association of California and Nevada, but I guess that doesn't have the same ring to it:
"The national Edward R. Murrow award for feature stories"
No, you didn't. Your station won a regional Murrow award for a story on whalers in the small market television division:
http://rtdna.org/content/2014_region_1_murrow_winners
Not really upping the level of credibility here.
end of an era wrote:
A media company like Flotrack can't stream an organized meet due to lack of bandwidth and you guys think this guy can find wifi out in the middle of nowhere?
They should use the new compression technology from Pied Piper.
