If a lawyer represents a company, the lawyer can talk to multiple people in the company at the same or different times and maintain privilege over all those communications. I can only assume the same applies when a lawyer is talking to government branches or agencies. In other words, the President doesn't have to clear the room every time he wants to talk to the White House lawyer. That would be unworkable and inconsistent with the purpose of the privilege.
Check out US v. Nixon
This? That's a case about executive privilege, not the attorney-client privilege.
I was responding to what appeared to be a legally erroneous assertion that having multiple people in a room will destroy the attorney-client privilege (or render it inapplicable), which is not necessarily the case. An attorney can have legal-type communications with multiple people in the same organization at the same time, and the attorney-client privilege will cover it all. This is not subject to real dispute. Happens all the time. You could not conduct legal business otherwise.
Will there be more info about crimes of Flynn and Stone, connected with Oath Keepers? Flynn got pardoned by Trump for lying under oath regarding Russian investigation. Now he's been pleading the 5th, refusing to answer questions on the basis that his answers would incriminate him. What crimes?
Probably.
There is already enough evidence to make a pretty good circumstantial case that Trump knew what the Proud Boys were up to. But maybe not enough to get a conviction of seditious conspiracy.
I suspect that the J6 committee is heading toward a conclusion that makes the link between Trump and the Proud Boys even stronger. It will probably involve the testimony of someone in the room at the Willard Hotel. Perhaps one of the Proud Boys.
But if the J6 committee can't to get someone to flip, the DOJ should be able to make it happen.
I was responding to what appeared to be a legally erroneous assertion that having multiple people in a room will destroy the attorney-client privilege (or render it inapplicable), which is not necessarily the case. An attorney can have legal-type communications with multiple people in the same organization at the same time, and the attorney-client privilege will cover it all. This is not subject to real dispute. Happens all the time. You could not conduct legal business otherwise.
I may have lost a little of the context, but I think US v. Nixon still applies.
Cipollone was not Trump's attorney. He was the White House Council. So attorney-client privilege doesn't apply at all.
Executive privilege is what would apply here, but that wouldn't work in this case because of US v. Nixon.
I like your theory. But trump is so slippery....I fear that as usual all his 'partners' will go down the drain but Trump will survive. Trump is very, very good at hurting people who work for him. And also very good at staying one inch away from being prosecuted.
We know the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers planned to attack the Capitol. It would be quite a stretch to think those in the war room didn't know about it since the Proud Boys were there with them.
There would be no reason for Mark Meadows to meet the people in the war room just to talk about the rally at the Ellipse. Those in the war room weren't involved with the rally planning. The only reason for Meadows to be in contact with the war room was to talk about the attack and discuss the timing of when Trump would direct the mob to march on the Capitol.
Hold on. Which Proud Boy was in the Willard Hotel War Room with Giuliani? Are you claiming it was Spazzo Pezzola? I doubt hotels like Willard even let people like Spazzo in the lobby.
We would need to see hotel camera video of Spazzo going into the War Room. He has a distinctive waddling gait.
Spazzo is Italian. He is volatile and can flare up like a pack of hemorrhoids at a moment's notice. I can't see him being part of whatever the hell that Giuliani was cooking up in the War Room.
We know the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers planned to attack the Capitol. It would be quite a stretch to think those in the war room didn't know about it since the Proud Boys were there with them.
There would be no reason for Mark Meadows to meet the people in the war room just to talk about the rally at the Ellipse. Those in the war room weren't involved with the rally planning. The only reason for Meadows to be in contact with the war room was to talk about the attack and discuss the timing of when Trump would direct the mob to march on the Capitol.
Hold on. Which Proud Boy was in the Willard Hotel War Room with Giuliani? Are you claiming it was Spazzo Pezzola? I doubt hotels like Willard even let people like Spazzo in the lobby.
We would need to see hotel camera video of Spazzo going into the War Room. He has a distinctive waddling gait.
Spazzo is Italian. He is volatile and can flare up like a pack of hemorrhoids at a moment's notice. I can't see him being part of whatever the hell that Giuliani was cooking up in the War Room.
We know that Proud Boys were spotted outside the hotel with Roger Stone. It was said they were providing security. So there is reason to believe that they also went into the war room. Obviously, there was some level of coordination between the Proud Boys and Stone.
Hold on. Which Proud Boy was in the Willard Hotel War Room with Giuliani? Are you claiming it was Spazzo Pezzola? I doubt hotels like Willard even let people like Spazzo in the lobby.
We would need to see hotel camera video of Spazzo going into the War Room. He has a distinctive waddling gait.
Spazzo is Italian. He is volatile and can flare up like a pack of hemorrhoids at a moment's notice. I can't see him being part of whatever the hell that Giuliani was cooking up in the War Room.
We know that Proud Boys were spotted outside the hotel with Roger Stone. It was said they were providing security. So there is reason to believe that they also went into the war room. Obviously, there was some level of coordination between the Proud Boys and Stone.
I think that's as much as we know right now.
The main Proud Boy guys (women are not allowed in the Proud Boys) are:
Spazzo
Enrique "Polola" Tarrio
Ethan Rufio Panman
Joey Adam Boggs
Zack Kranch
If even one of them, much less five of them, got in the War Room with Giuliani, it could blow this whole goddam thing pie high. In the Willard War Room, the Proud Boys would have had access to sensitive communications between Trump, Meadows, Eastman, Stone, the Pardon Seekers, and Giuliani related to world affairs.
I was responding to what appeared to be a legally erroneous assertion that having multiple people in a room will destroy the attorney-client privilege (or render it inapplicable), which is not necessarily the case. An attorney can have legal-type communications with multiple people in the same organization at the same time, and the attorney-client privilege will cover it all. This is not subject to real dispute. Happens all the time. You could not conduct legal business otherwise.
I may have lost a little of the context, but I think US v. Nixon still applies.
Cipollone was not Trump's attorney. He was the White House Council. So attorney-client privilege doesn't apply at all.
Executive privilege is what would apply here, but that wouldn't work in this case because of US v. Nixon.
I'm not an attorney myself, so I may be off base.
That's not accurate. As White House Counsel, Cipollone would have an attorney-client relationship with Trump in Trump's role as President. Cipollone would have that same attorney-client relationship with numerous White House staff as it related to Presidential or White House business. The attorney-client privilege absolutely applies to communications between Cipollone and Trump and his staff to the extent the communications related to legal advice about Presidential business.
I'm not sure if executive privilege applies either. I'd have to read up more.
We know that Proud Boys were spotted outside the hotel with Roger Stone. It was said they were providing security. So there is reason to believe that they also went into the war room. Obviously, there was some level of coordination between the Proud Boys and Stone.
I think that's as much as we know right now.
The main Proud Boy guys (women are not allowed in the Proud Boys) are:
Spazzo
Enrique "Polola" Tarrio
Ethan Rufio Panman
Joey Adam Boggs
Zack Kranch
If even one of them, much less five of them, got in the War Room with Giuliani, it could blow this whole goddam thing pie high. In the Willard War Room, the Proud Boys would have had access to sensitive communications between Trump, Meadows, Eastman, Stone, the Pardon Seekers, and Giuliani related to world affairs.
I may have lost a little of the context, but I think US v. Nixon still applies.
Cipollone was not Trump's attorney. He was the White House Council. So attorney-client privilege doesn't apply at all.
Executive privilege is what would apply here, but that wouldn't work in this case because of US v. Nixon.
I'm not an attorney myself, so I may be off base.
That's not accurate. As White House Counsel, Cipollone would have an attorney-client relationship with Trump in Trump's role as President. Cipollone would have that same attorney-client relationship with numerous White House staff as it related to Presidential or White House business. The attorney-client privilege absolutely applies to communications between Cipollone and Trump and his staff to the extent the communications related to legal advice about Presidential business.
I'm not sure if executive privilege applies either. I'd have to read up more.
Yes. Communications between Cipollone and Trump is only protected in so far as it deals with things that relate to governing, like national security. Anything about the election or politics would not be covered.
So pretty much anything the J6 committee wants to talk about would not be covered.
However, I've heard that for Cipollone to testify, he will want some pretty narrow boundaries around what he can talk about. And the J6 committee doesn't really have time to fight him on that.
The main Proud Boy guys (women are not allowed in the Proud Boys) are:
Spazzo
Enrique "Polola" Tarrio
Ethan Rufio Panman
Joey Adam Boggs
Zack Kranch
If even one of them, much less five of them, got in the War Room with Giuliani, it could blow this whole goddam thing pie high. In the Willard War Room, the Proud Boys would have had access to sensitive communications between Trump, Meadows, Eastman, Stone, the Pardon Seekers, and Giuliani related to world affairs.
So you get the picture?
Yeah, I get the picture. Everyone gets the picture. We can conjure up the appropriate mental imagery. The thought of Spazzo in an insurrection War Room with that drunken fool Giuliani running his fat mouth off about Trump's confidential and sensitive election theories is goddam frightening. Spazzo is not exactly known for his discretion. Get a few drinks in that yo-yo and he'll spill the beans until the Second Coming of Christ.
Will there be more info about crimes of Flynn and Stone, connected with Oath Keepers? Flynn got pardoned by Trump for lying under oath regarding Russian investigation. Now he's been pleading the 5th, refusing to answer questions on the basis that his answers would incriminate him. What crimes?
Probably.
There is already enough evidence to make a pretty good circumstantial case that Trump knew what the Proud Boys were up to. But maybe not enough to get a conviction of seditious conspiracy.
I suspect that the J6 committee is heading toward a conclusion that makes the link between Trump and the Proud Boys even stronger. It will probably involve the testimony of someone in the room at the Willard Hotel. Perhaps one of the Proud Boys.
But if the J6 committee can't to get someone to flip, the DOJ should be able to make it happen.
Aren't you the clown that said Matt Gartz was going to be arrested?
That's not accurate. As White House Counsel, Cipollone would have an attorney-client relationship with Trump in Trump's role as President. Cipollone would have that same attorney-client relationship with numerous White House staff as it related to Presidential or White House business. The attorney-client privilege absolutely applies to communications between Cipollone and Trump and his staff to the extent the communications related to legal advice about Presidential business.
I'm not sure if executive privilege applies either. I'd have to read up more.
Yes. Communications between Cipollone and Trump is only protected in so far as it deals with things that relate to governing, like national security. Anything about the election or politics would not be covered.
I'm not sure the lines you are drawing -- national security versus "election or politics" -- are accurate. The privilege is broad. Certainly any communications discussing Pence's legal obligations as VP to certify the election, which I think is what you are getting at, would be covered by attorney-client privilege.
Anything unrelated to White House affairs would not be covered. So if Trump asked Cipollone whether he can legally throw a plate of food at Giuliani, and Cipollone told him to go for it, that would not be privileged, because its stems from Trump's personal feeling toward Giuliani's, rather than anything to do with running the White House.
Yes, we know Trump was connected to all things related to the Jan 6 attack on the Capitol to try to jeep him in power.
We also know he looked for help with Russia spreading fake news to get him elected in 2016.
We also know he used campaign funds to hush Stormy Daniels.
We also know he directed Flynn to tell Russia he would end sanctions before Trump was inaugurated.
We also know he fired Comey because he wouldn’t swear loyalty.
We also know he withheld help to Ukraine to force Zelezny to lie about Biden.
We also know he inflated his assets to get loans and deflated his income to avoid taxes.
We also know he is connected to money laundering schemes.
We know all of this and he never faces any ramifications. He was impeached twice and both times Republican senators said he was guilty but voted for to acquit.
There is already enough evidence to make a pretty good circumstantial case that Trump knew what the Proud Boys were up to. But maybe not enough to get a conviction of seditious conspiracy.
I suspect that the J6 committee is heading toward a conclusion that makes the link between Trump and the Proud Boys even stronger. It will probably involve the testimony of someone in the room at the Willard Hotel. Perhaps one of the Proud Boys.
But if the J6 committee can't to get someone to flip, the DOJ should be able to make it happen.
Aren't you the clown that said Matt Gartz was going to be arrested?
It's not a court of law. The differences between a court of law and a congressional hearing, including the differences that would matter with respect to hearsay, are enormous. Demanding hearsay be excluded from a congressional hearing is as superfluous as demanding hearsay be excluded from a press conference or a message board thread. It's a trivial concern, a procedural impossibility and, as far as I know, has never been done in the 200+ year history of congressional hearings.
And if this is the first time Godwin's law has been invoked in this thread, someone is NOT being a good advocate for their cause. Yes, I'm referring to you, Disgo.
It's not a court of law. The differences between a court of law and a congressional hearing, including the differences that would matter with respect to hearsay, are enormous. Demanding hearsay be excluded from a congressional hearing is as superfluous as demanding hearsay be excluded from a press conference or a message board thread. It's a trivial concern, a procedural impossibility and, as far as I know, has never been done in the 200+ year history of congressional hearings.
And if this is the first time Godwin's law has been invoked in this thread, someone is NOT being a good advocate for their cause. Yes, I'm referring to you, Disgo.
The J6 committee is promoting propaganda and hearsay. It's a complete joke and nobody cares- except for the leftist cult members like you.
Was there cross-examination in the Benghazi hearings?
A congressional hearing is not a court of law. It's just a hearing.
But I understand why a Trumper would be terrified when the truth comes out. So terrified, he turns to calling the committee a bunch of Nazis.
One sided with no cross examination, that's been the entire J6 circus. North Korea and Stalin would be proud. Terrified? I'm laughing everyday at you libiots.
