https://twitter.com/AP/status/1414929717870874627?s=20
Democrats are disgusting pieces of trash.
Democrats are disgusting pieces of trash.
agip cant stop talking about Trump wrote:
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1414929717870874627?s=20Democrats are disgusting pieces of trash.
Congrats dementia jimmy.....I mean joe. 😂😂😂😂
Fat hurts wrote:
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
1. You didn't read the entire article. These Dem mayors went along with their city councils and blessed defunding the police.
2. Here are DEMOCRAT run cities who defunded the police:
https://www.secureamericanow.org/cities_defunding_police3. Plenty of evidence. You lose.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democrats-policing-murder-rate/2021/06/26/e37c38fc-d4fd-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.htmlhttps://www.cnn.com/2021/05/25/us/defund-police-crime-spike/index.htmlSpeak for yourself. Along with your ridiculous global warming hysteria, you are the poster child for fantasy land.
I'm not going to waste my time reading articles until you can put forth a coherent argument.
Name the cities where police have been "defunded" and then logically connect those actions to a rise in crime.
If you can't put it in your own words, you don't know what you are talking about.
Chicken Little has proven himself on this thread to not consider any facts that don’t align with his preconceptions. Closed minded as they get. Very Christian-like. 👎👎👎👎👎🦤🦤🦤
Open your mind to reality chicken little.
I'm loving this Abbott threat... let's see if he's man enough to follow through and risk self destructing the GQP in TX. Gosh, all of this to try to install an orange makeup wearing stone cold loser as king of the USA.
Picture this, dozens of elected D officials are arrested on live TV for refusing to participate in voting for the GQP's crazy voter suppression laws, which would allow them to go into effect. There is no defined crime with the legislators leaving, just the governor abusing powers. They then keep them in forced custody inside the Texas Capitol waiting for them to participate in the vote. Yeah, that is going to go down really well with the public. It would trigger the largest protest in the state's history. It would be a complete disaster for the GQP and would result in a giant blowback and massive campaigning event for Ds. That would flip the state.
And then there's this of course:
https://twitter.com/Brelwi1/status/1414723495758548992/photo/1
Fat hurts wrote:
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
Wrong. With the new election laws that have been passed, Biden will no longer win reelection.
At least you admit that the new election laws are aimed at voter suppression rather than election security.
But even with the new laws, you can't fight demographics.
Like I said earlier, Trump has done nothing to expand his base. From 2020 to 2024, Trump's base will die off while new young voters join the Democrats. It's just a hard reality that spells doom for the Republican party as long as Trump is in charge.
We've been hearing for decades about how demographic changes were going to doom the Rs. Pre-Trump, my conservative (though non-R) self was worried about this. And those demographic projections assumed, I'M SURE (and very importantly), reasonably sane and decent R candidates. But a Republican as CLEARLY horrible as Trump winning once and coming reasonably close a second time suggests that the impact of these demographic shifts were - and I assume still are - being (badly?) overestimated.
And the idea that it's "finally going to happen" between now and 2024 seems absolutely absurd. As much as I now wish that it could be the case.
still amazing to me that at cpac trump admitted to the world he lies about polls being fake when they go against him..and trumpers don't care.
if a dem admitted he routinely lies to voters, he'd be cast out on his tushie the next election.
trumpists...like being lied to.
it's uncanny.
terrible, suicidal people.
nonequals wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
At least you admit that the new election laws are aimed at voter suppression rather than election security.
But even with the new laws, you can't fight demographics.
Like I said earlier, Trump has done nothing to expand his base. From 2020 to 2024, Trump's base will die off while new young voters join the Democrats. It's just a hard reality that spells doom for the Republican party as long as Trump is in charge.
We've been hearing for decades about how demographic changes were going to doom the Rs. Pre-Trump, my conservative (though non-R) self was worried about this. And those demographic projections assumed, I'M SURE (and very importantly), reasonably sane and decent R candidates. But a Republican as CLEARLY horrible as Trump winning once and coming reasonably close a second time suggests that the impact of these demographic shifts were - and I assume still are - being (badly?) overestimated.
And the idea that it's "finally going to happen" between now and 2024 seems absolutely absurd. As much as I now wish that it could be the case.
the key to 2020 was hispanics moving toward trump (they still voted more for biden, but not as much as expected)
I'd expect them to stay with biden, since apparently incumbency means a lot to hispanic voters in particular.
so the demographic trend away from republicans could be quite apparent in 2024.
if they show up to vote.
agip wrote:
still amazing to me that at cpac trump admitted to the world he lies about polls being fake when they go against him..and trumpers don't care.
if a dem admitted he routinely lies to voters, he'd be cast out on his tushie the next election.
trumpists...like being lied to.
it's uncanny.
terrible, suicidal people.
Can’t stop talking about Trump, can you?
agip wrote:
the dems run the country well enough but they are terrible, terrible, terrible at politics.
voters have no idea that biden pushed through the stimulus.
of course they don't.
obama wrecked the dem party by playing it cool and not taking credit for successes, leaving room for trump to claim lies to be true.
biden is doing the same.
pathetic.
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n 2009, President Obama got no public credit for the crisis relief in his stimulus bill. A dozen years later, Joe Biden vowed not to make the same mistake. Where Obama slipped stimulus dollars quietly into paychecks with reduced withholding payments, Biden sent stand-alone checks. Where Obama waged no sustained marketing campaign to sell his American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, Biden said he was determined make sure the public knew about his American Rescue Plan.
Even so, a series of focus groups conducted by the pro-Biden Super PAC Unite the Country found “the [American Rescue Plan] and these other [infrastructure] proposals remain worryingly undefined in the public consciousness,” according to a report by Politico’s Natasha Korecki.
Not sure what to think about this. Random thoughts.
- I guess I'm glad that I'm not in politics (or marketing). The difference between what is rationale and what is needed to actually persuade people can be so ridiculously different.
- Probably most important: After 5-6 years of this, if you need to advertise, campaign, market, etc. much AT ALL in order to beat Trump and the current R party, your country is REALLY hurting. And ours most certainly is. And maybe even doomed, at least as a functioning democracy. It REALLY SHOULD be as easy as pointing to them (Rs) and saying, "You want THAT? Really? Didn't think so. And don't worry, we won't liberal-you-to-death TOO bad until that other party finds sanity!!"
- Back to the actual business of politics, is it simply possible that nothing much can be done to change minds, as ridiculous and depressing as that is? Seems possible. In which case "getting out the vote" (and limiting suppression) should be the main emphasis.
agip wrote:
nonequals wrote:
We've been hearing for decades about how demographic changes were going to doom the Rs. Pre-Trump, my conservative (though non-R) self was worried about this. And those demographic projections assumed, I'M SURE (and very importantly), reasonably sane and decent R candidates. But a Republican as CLEARLY horrible as Trump winning once and coming reasonably close a second time suggests that the impact of these demographic shifts were - and I assume still are - being (badly?) overestimated.
And the idea that it's "finally going to happen" between now and 2024 seems absolutely absurd. As much as I now wish that it could be the case.
the key to 2020 was hispanics moving toward trump (they still voted more for biden, but not as much as expected)
I'd expect them to stay with biden, since apparently incumbency means a lot to hispanic voters in particular.
so the demographic trend away from republicans could be quite apparent in 2024.
if they show up to vote.
But this wouldn't be the demographic trend that people were predicting. In this case, the relevant prediction was, "Hispanics tend to vote for Ds." A big part of what you're describing above is, "Hispanics tend to vote for incumbents." Not clearly consistent with what we were told the demographics would portend.
Oh, and to be a little less nice. It's bad enough that so many whites votes for Trump. But a racial minority who votes for Trump? Holy cow. HOW far is your head up you a** if you do that ??
nonequals wrote:
agip wrote:
the dems run the country well enough but they are terrible, terrible, terrible at politics.
voters have no idea that biden pushed through the stimulus.
of course they don't.
obama wrecked the dem party by playing it cool and not taking credit for successes, leaving room for trump to claim lies to be true.
biden is doing the same.
pathetic.
///
n 2009, President Obama got no public credit for the crisis relief in his stimulus bill. A dozen years later, Joe Biden vowed not to make the same mistake. Where Obama slipped stimulus dollars quietly into paychecks with reduced withholding payments, Biden sent stand-alone checks. Where Obama waged no sustained marketing campaign to sell his American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, Biden said he was determined make sure the public knew about his American Rescue Plan.
Even so, a series of focus groups conducted by the pro-Biden Super PAC Unite the Country found “the [American Rescue Plan] and these other [infrastructure] proposals remain worryingly undefined in the public consciousness,” according to a report by Politico’s Natasha Korecki.
Not sure what to think about this. Random thoughts.
- I guess I'm glad that I'm not in politics (or marketing). The difference between what is rationale and what is needed to actually persuade people can be so ridiculously different.
- Probably most important: After 5-6 years of this, if you need to advertise, campaign, market, etc. much AT ALL in order to beat Trump and the current R party, your country is REALLY hurting. And ours most certainly is. And maybe even doomed, at least as a functioning democracy. It REALLY SHOULD be as easy as pointing to them (Rs) and saying, "You want THAT? Really? Didn't think so. And don't worry, we won't liberal-you-to-death TOO bad until that other party finds sanity!!"
- Back to the actual business of politics, is it simply possible that nothing much can be done to change minds, as ridiculous and depressing as that is? Seems possible. In which case "getting out the vote" (and limiting suppression) should be the main emphasis.
one of the strangest parts of the puzzle is that the Dems haven;t for decades had anyone able to stand up and shout about what the Rs are trying to do. I mean any quality party should have forced the Rs into decades of losses for the R attempt to take away health insurance from tens of millions.
Mayor Pete came close to being able to talk about these thigns but he's too quiet and refined.
mayor diblasio auditioned for the job but everyone hates the guy.
I think the main reason is right wing talk radio...for generations right wingers have learned from it how to present the crazy and be entertaining and sharp.
there is no equivalent on the left...the dems are all technocrats...you can't explain policy to people...they don't care. they are about being entertained and being given a villain.
Rs are massively better at this.
Trollminator wrote:
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
TX dem state legislature members who fled the state will be arrested. Lock 'em up.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210713151029/https://www.theepochtimes.com/texas-governor-missing-democrat-lawmakers-will-be-arrested-after-returning-to-texas_3899416.htmlThat's fantastic! That's exactly what Ds need to finish making TX blue. Let's see how people vote after watching the Rs cheat like crazy to limit voting and abuse their power to arrest Ds who refuse to go along with their voter suppression. Keep it up tzees and wave goodbye to your 2022 hopes.
Can they have a quorum if the lawmakers are in jail? Serious question.
Ha mbo wrote:
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
These are dem mayors, dem city council menbers, Dems in the US Congress, who support defunding the police.
Once again, this is YOUR party doing this.
Vice President Kamala Harris said “I applaud Eric Garcetti” for defunding the Los Angeles police, and said “we have to reimagine public safety” while discussing lowering the police presence in communities.
Biden’s Associate Attorney General Vanita Gupta said officials must heed calls to “decrease police budgets and the scope, role, and responsibility of police in our lives.”
As Boston Mayor, Biden’s Secretary of Labor Marty Walsh proposed a budget to divert funding from law enforcement.
Biden’s Assistant Attorney General Kristen Clarke wrote an op-ed for Newsweek in 2020 supporting efforts to “defund the police.”
Rep. Val Demings (D-FL) called the Minneapolis City Council “very thoughtful” for voting to dismantle the police.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and fellow House Democrats refused to criticize the Minneapolis City Council for defunding the police.
Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) called for dismantling the Minneapolis Police Department.
Rep. Cori Bush (D-MO) called for defunding police as a congresswoman-elect.
A Democratic National Convention panelist advocated for defunding the police.
A Minneapolis City Council member defended defunding the police, but said she didn’t “have all the answers” on who would respond to violent crime.
House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-SC) compared federal law enforcement to the Nazi Gestapo. He later ignored looting and arson in D.C., claiming the only violence he saw in D.C. was from police.
Democrat Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison said he doesn’t want police officers to respond to rape.
Even though violent crime has risen significantly in the past year, Democrats are still calling for the defunding of police departments around the country:
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) stood by her calls to “reallocate resources away” from police while saying the crime surge is just “hysteria.”
Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-MA) said she still supports defunding the police.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/29/heres-list-many-times-democrats-not-republicans-supported-defunding-police/What did these moron libs think? That crime would go down if they defunded the police? 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
If the money is redirected to programs that prevent crime, then yes, crime can go down.
"Defund the police" means different things to different people. It generally doesn't mean "abolish the police". It means redirect some of those funds to things that improve the community in a way that makes crime less prevalent.
I don't think we yet know whether these initiatives work or not. But in many communities, policing is not working well. So new approaches are worth a try.
It means I don't waste my time with posters whose entire argument is, "Here is a link. Now guess what I wanted to say."
If you want me to read a link, it needs to provide background or data to support your argument.
But if you can't put the argument in your own words, you don't know what you are talking about.
Ha mbo wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
I'm not going to waste my time reading articles until you can put forth a coherent argument.
Name the cities where police have been "defunded" and then logically connect those actions to a rise in crime.
If you can't put it in your own words, you don't know what you are talking about.
Chicken Little has proven himself on this thread to not consider any facts that don’t align with his preconceptions. Closed minded as they get. Very Christian-like. 👎👎👎👎👎🦤🦤🦤
Open your mind to reality chicken little.
If you make an argument, I'll consider facts that support your argument.
If you just post some random links without any context, I won't read them.
If you can't put the argument in your own words, you don't know what you are talking about
FINALLY!!!!
VOTER FRAUD DISCOVER IN ARIZONA!!!!
A woman voted for her dead mother; both are/were registered Republicans.
nonequals wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
At least you admit that the new election laws are aimed at voter suppression rather than election security.
But even with the new laws, you can't fight demographics.
Like I said earlier, Trump has done nothing to expand his base. From 2020 to 2024, Trump's base will die off while new young voters join the Democrats. It's just a hard reality that spells doom for the Republican party as long as Trump is in charge.
We've been hearing for decades about how demographic changes were going to doom the Rs. Pre-Trump, my conservative (though non-R) self was worried about this. And those demographic projections assumed, I'M SURE (and very importantly), reasonably sane and decent R candidates. But a Republican as CLEARLY horrible as Trump winning once and coming reasonably close a second time suggests that the impact of these demographic shifts were - and I assume still are - being (badly?) overestimated.
And the idea that it's "finally going to happen" between now and 2024 seems absolutely absurd. As much as I now wish that it could be the case.
The demographic shift has been happening slowly. But I believe that it is the main reason Trump lost in 2020.
Other things do matter, of course. The candidate matters. Voter enthusiasm matters. Voter restrictions matter. Gerrymandering matters. Etc.
If changing demographics mean you start an election with less possible voters on your side than you had last time, you are less likely to win.
If changing demographics mean you start an election with more possible voters on your side than you had last time, you are more likely to win.
Four years is enough time to shift the demographics enough that a Trump victory will be nearly impossible.
agip wrote:
nonequals wrote:
Not sure what to think about this. Random thoughts.
- I guess I'm glad that I'm not in politics (or marketing). The difference between what is rationale and what is needed to actually persuade people can be so ridiculously different.
- Probably most important: After 5-6 years of this, if you need to advertise, campaign, market, etc. much AT ALL in order to beat Trump and the current R party, your country is REALLY hurting. And ours most certainly is. And maybe even doomed, at least as a functioning democracy. It REALLY SHOULD be as easy as pointing to them (Rs) and saying, "You want THAT? Really? Didn't think so. And don't worry, we won't liberal-you-to-death TOO bad until that other party finds sanity!!"
- Back to the actual business of politics, is it simply possible that nothing much can be done to change minds, as ridiculous and depressing as that is? Seems possible. In which case "getting out the vote" (and limiting suppression) should be the main emphasis.
one of the strangest parts of the puzzle is that the Dems haven;t for decades had anyone able to stand up and shout about what the Rs are trying to do. I mean any quality party should have forced the Rs into decades of losses for the R attempt to take away health insurance from tens of millions.
Mayor Pete came close to being able to talk about these thigns but he's too quiet and refined.
mayor diblasio auditioned for the job but everyone hates the guy.
I think the main reason is right wing talk radio...for generations right wingers have learned from it how to present the crazy and be entertaining and sharp.
there is no equivalent on the left...the dems are all technocrats...you can't explain policy to people...they don't care. they are about being entertained and being given a villain.
Rs are massively better at this.
To be fair, Rs have gotten better and better at selling to a diminishing demographic group. Meanwhile, the Ds have been trying to expand their base so it's a bit of a different game. Also, by default conservatives are much more afraid of change which makes them easy fear mongering targets. Big difference.
Fat hurts wrote:
nonequals wrote:
We've been hearing for decades about how demographic changes were going to doom the Rs. Pre-Trump, my conservative (though non-R) self was worried about this. And those demographic projections assumed, I'M SURE (and very importantly), reasonably sane and decent R candidates. But a Republican as CLEARLY horrible as Trump winning once and coming reasonably close a second time suggests that the impact of these demographic shifts were - and I assume still are - being (badly?) overestimated.
And the idea that it's "finally going to happen" between now and 2024 seems absolutely absurd. As much as I now wish that it could be the case.
The demographic shift has been happening slowly. But I believe that it is the main reason Trump lost in 2020.
Other things do matter, of course. The candidate matters. Voter enthusiasm matters. Voter restrictions matter. Gerrymandering matters. Etc.
If changing demographics mean you start an election with less possible voters on your side than you had last time, you are less likely to win.
If changing demographics mean you start an election with more possible voters on your side than you had last time, you are more likely to win.
Four years is enough time to shift the demographics enough that a Trump victory will be nearly impossible.
1. Trump lost because he did a terrible job with COVID and had no agenda. Most people don't follow politics enough to care about his general performance, and had he actually put together some coherent messaging for his next 4 years and not fumbled so badly on COVID I believed he would have easily won the EC vote count. Trump really tried hard to lose, and he lost badly in the end. He was the incumbent and started campaigning from day 1 of his first term. He also abused his seat to market himself. That is a massive advantage - you have to be pretty terrible to lose.
2. The demographic shift has been long countered by the generally low voter participation and by ongoing efforts by GQP to limit voting. That's how you keep the minority rule. Stacey slightly tapped into a dormant group of disinterested eligible voters and in a few years managed to deliver GA to the Ds. The potential is giant, but they need to be motivated to vote and to be able to vote. The GQP is straight up an anti-democratic operation.
Trollminator wrote:
agip wrote:
one of the strangest parts of the puzzle is that the Dems haven;t for decades had anyone able to stand up and shout about what the Rs are trying to do. I mean any quality party should have forced the Rs into decades of losses for the R attempt to take away health insurance from tens of millions.
Mayor Pete came close to being able to talk about these thigns but he's too quiet and refined.
mayor diblasio auditioned for the job but everyone hates the guy.
I think the main reason is right wing talk radio...for generations right wingers have learned from it how to present the crazy and be entertaining and sharp.
there is no equivalent on the left...the dems are all technocrats...you can't explain policy to people...they don't care. they are about being entertained and being given a villain.
Rs are massively better at this.
To be fair, Rs have gotten better and better at selling to a diminishing demographic group. Meanwhile, the Ds have been trying to expand their base so it's a bit of a different game. Also, by default conservatives are much more afraid of change which makes them easy fear mongering targets. Big difference.
Btw - this is why the party so desperately hangs on the loser trump. He fired up a lot of people, not just the anxiety riddled white males. With their hero gone, the operation fails miserably as they have alienated way too many people with their no-policy strategy of owning the libs. They have nothing but hate and fear left, and it just won't be enough without a massive amount of cheating.