Robert Young fakes run across America

David, how do you know what you saw was real? You know that those DMT receptors up regulate after about 70 miles.

runneron wrote:

RobRossi wrote:

Where are the official results?

We can't trust a forum post, he has lied about too many things.

Okay, so someone mentioned him on a triathlon message board. Not conclusive proof but his time is listed as 8:48 or over an hour and 20 minutes slower than the fastest guy mentioned by that poster in the forum (who may or may not have been the winner since the full list or official result is not available). Sounds plausible if not exactly champion material...

Bear in mind that the times on that post contain all age groups - so although he is 1hr 20 slower than the fastest time it is likely that would be a senior time while Rob would have been competing in a youth age category (20-24). Naturally they would be slower than grown men.

maybe you don't have a large enough screen but you can clearly see Rob running in the grass. I froze it at :35, blew it up, lighten it - it a guy jogging fairly slow

We can't trust a forum post, he has lied about too many things.[/quote]

You have evidence which you don't like

http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/forum/triathlon/european-long-course-champs/41553.html

you are on a forum posting lies and slander and don't like it when evidence is given

are yall blind wrote:

maybe you don't have a large enough screen but you can clearly see Rob running in the grass. I froze it at :35, blew it up, lighten it - it a guy jogging fairly slow

A guy running fairly slow huh? Too bad that according to the tracker he's blitzing along through that section at 10mph (6 minute mile pace) right there.

I've looked at the video frame by frame and don't see squat on the side of the road except regular stuff like road markers and the hazard sign.

One Q. Put to Bed wrote:

It's a forum post from 2004.

That's clearly a genuine performance in an international triathlon being discussed where he won age group bronze.

Right. And this is a picture from 2012:

This guy is a serial liar. I will only believe it if the official results are available.

Just caught up on the last 10 pages, nice to see the UK is involved now!

First, 113 and SmartRunnr. Thank.you. Posts like yours are what makes this place great.

Other than more great humor, and more troll/phony defensive posts for our cheater, we are still where we were yesterday morning.

Put the Garmin 235 on and post the data and this thread ends.

Nobody cares about anything but this run. You are not distracting anyone by telling us what a nice guy he is or his father locking him in travel accessories.

Stop the BS. Show him running, or show the data. If you don't want to do that, you are confirming the fraud.

Seems highly unlikely that the OP is trying to slander this Young guy here. No runner in sight, just a RV creeping along the road at 7mph.

If Young was inside to go to a place to rest and/or eat, it surely would have driven faster than the speed shown on the videos..

are yall blind wrote:

maybe you don't have a large enough screen but you can clearly see Rob running in the grass. I froze it at :35, blew it up, lighten it - it a guy jogging fairly slow

I do see something but can't tell much else. Can someone post a pic of the blow up and lighten? Maybe this guy is running

All I see at 34-35 seconds is a spot on Asher's windshield appearing to move alongside the RV. Note that it briefly turns red as it approaches the line-of-sight of the RV's right taillight. Is there something else there?

Rob's crew is trying to cast doubt. Don't believe it. Still many other inconsistencies regardless.

Mike Ross wrote:

are yall blind wrote:

maybe you don't have a large enough screen but you can clearly see Rob running in the grass. I froze it at :35, blew it up, lighten it - it a guy jogging fairly slow

I do see something but can't tell much else. Can someone post a pic of the blow up and lighten? Maybe this guy is running

Nothing there.

attention all I have made contact with Robs manager and they said he would be willing to do an interview with me. I will hopefully live stream this interview so you all may listen and send in questions you would like asked. Also feel free to post the questions you would like asked on this thread. More info coming soon

jim1919 wrote:

Mike Ross wrote:

I do see something but can't tell much else. Can someone post a pic of the blow up and lighten? Maybe this guy is running

Nothing there.

http://i.imgur.com/LI2r7eZ.jpg

Yeah, that's not a person. Thanks

Kevin O'Rourke (Milton Keynes) are you drunk? Too much wine again?

Maybe you can give some evidence of Rob's professional cycling career? Of his child abuse? Of his 30 minute 10K? Where was he during the video in Kansas?

run-ky wrote:

All I see at 34-35 seconds is a spot on Asher's windshield appearing to move alongside the RV. Note that it briefly turns red as it approaches the line-of-sight of the RV's right taillight. Is there something else there?

I see an alien, sasquatch, and an Ivory Billed Woodpecker flits by.

Well RW fell for it. wrote:

Well Runners World fell for it all, so it must be true, nice comments from Kev at the end of the article which helps to authenticate him even more. Now about all this other stuff...nah, forget it, Rob's a good bloke.

http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/interview/the-big-interview-marathon-man-rob-young/14416.html

That b@stard is wearing my tartan!

There are a lot of issues with the whole runDay 1:http://www.marathonmanuk.co.uk/2016/05/15/day-1-may-14-and-were-off/This is actually two days, because it starts on 8pm on 5/13. According to the blog, he is going to go out for a run (?) before he starts running across the USA. Then he calls his crew 2.5 hours later to say, guess what, he's already started the cross-country attempt! (I guess May 13 doesn't count as one of his days, though?)

According to the tracker, the RV starts moving at 11:01 pm to go catch up with him. He does not have a tracker with a time stamp; the RV does. There is a separate running route shown on the tracking page, just without time stamps. Or maybe he has the tracker with time stamps and the RV doesn't? But then why do the time stamps only start at 11:01, not at 8:00 like the blog claims?

At the corner of Adams and the Santa Ana river, the two paths (RV and runner) come together. At this point the tracker must be handed off, because at 11:37 pm it starts pinging in every 12 minutes from the Santa Ana trail, which as a previous poster pointed out, the RV can't drive down. There are still two routes showing on the tracker (if you zoom in you can see two lines laid over each other), but they are both on a runner/cycling-only path.

The other obvious problem is that it is only four miles from his starting point in Huntington Beach to the junction of Adams and Santa Ana, and we know he could not have got there before 11:37 pm, which is when the tracker starts pinging in from the running path. So that produces two possible conclusions:

1. He started on his own at 8pm and covered 4 miles in 3.5 hours. It took the RV about 30 minutes to drive these same 4 miles to find him, even though they didn't have to drive slow without a runner to escort.

2. He started with the RV at 11:01 and covered 4 miles in 36 minutes.

If #1 is true, the record attempt is already screwed. If #2 is true, then the blog is lying for no apparent reason.

At 5:00 am, they stop for a 2.5 hour break in Corona. It's about 38 miles in; he's been going for either six hours or nine hours, depending on which start time you believe.

At 7:27am on 5/14 he's running on surface streets in a neighborhood. The time on the picture matches where they should be on the route:

(People who use exif more than me, did I shift the time correctly for Pacific?)

50 miles in, and he's out in the desert running with this guy:

I can't figure out where this picture is taken.

In Riverside, there is another split in the routes, which is not mentioned in the blog. There is reference to taking a shortcut over a hill while being accompanied on a bike:

This is the insane "shortcut" captured here:

(I can't figure out how to get timestamps on those last two photos. Can anyone help?)

This whole "shortcut to get onto 60" thing makes no sense. There is a ping from the tracker in the middle of the foothills between Gilman Springs road and Highway 60, in east Moreno Valley. This means that a) Young was wearing the tracker; it was not on the RV, and b) he chose to try a shortcut over a hill through snakeholes that would save maybe a half a mile. Maybe.

If it was Young wearing the tracker, then what do we make of the bizarre zigzagging and backtracking between 10:30 and 11:30 near the Mission Grove Mall? How does the tracker cover 4 miles between 10:00 and 10:12? And why is there a completely separate route shown several miles north of the tracking data?

Anyway, they get into Banning at 10pm. That's 81 miles in either 23 or 26 hours.

Unlike the Mojave desert story, I don't have a reasonable guess as to what actually happened here. I know that getting out of southern California on foot is really, really hard, and they brag in the blog about not planning at all. I have a feeling they learned pretty quickly that they were dramatically underestimating the difficulty of the whole deal, and may have cut some corners, putting Rob in the RV for some of the completely unrunnable stretches of traffic-choked streets. You can already see the justification in the blog post: "But off we went, with Rob keen to cut off any corners he could, knowing his planned route was much further than the minimum 2,766 miles required for the record."

Not sure that is entirely true. Ali and Jonathon Brownlee were only 22 and 24 when they took gold and bronze at the last Olympics. The whole age group thing in triathlon is a bit silly. To go to a champs you basically need to be the equivalent of a poor county standard runner and have the money to pay to get yourself there. I can only imagine the poor standard of competition in the 20-24 group if you need to pay your own way to the champs is down to cost rather than age.

That post certainly places him there and 3rd. Doesn't match with other reports, also contemporary in which he is referred to as winning the world long course age group title. I have to wonder what the actual truth was. Whatever it is I really do want to know where and when that 30:47 10km was done. Being 80 minutes behind the overall winner suggests that the explanation that his 10k dated back to when he was a triathlete is once again not bourne out. Unless the overall winner was superman or Rob basically drowned in the swim I don't see how a guy who rode for Milram and ran a 30:47 would lose so much time.

I am always suspicious of people who always supposedly take it easy when there is a proper event with a decent number of competitors or observers and a set of officials timing it. This sadly seems to be the case in this instance and that worries me greatly.