New Gen Camp = Misogyny Training for High Schoolers

Still Listicle wrote:

Matt chilling in the girls bathroom wrote:

I disagree: the whole Wisner encouraging a minor to “sexulize” his adult friend is way worse than you’re making it out to be. Especially coming from someone who is supposed to be a camp counselor.

Yeah, that and the "purity test" story (which New Gen posted to its own website!) were the two most disturbing anecdotes people gathered. But I'd want more context for both of those stories before I went straight to life-destroying accusations. What was the full exchange between Wisner and the camper? To what degree was the named counselor participating in this "purity test"? But yeah: In any normal camp situation, just a whiff of either of those incidents would lead to those camp counselors being dis-invited from ever participating in a mentor role again.

Oh, and I screwed up the Outside Magazine link to the profile of Crawford & Co. when I pulled all that together earlier. It's here:

Link:www.outsideonline.com/health/running/n...

New Gen's whole "no boundaries" schtick (as quoted in that Outside article) and "summer camp" are a really uneasy fit.

what is this nonsense wrote:

exactly1 wrote:

This is the answer here. The problem isn't the stuff we see, the problem is this is only the stuff they want to be seen publicly. And even that is questionable.

NewGen has been a joke from the start. They started off as a youtube video that got a boost because Ben had always been the unpopular kid chasing the popular runners, quitting his own running to focus on only that. He followed to Oregon, and made friends with his "subjects." He was lucky during the pandemic that the Colleges were shut down, and the Summer Training was consolidated to Boulder, where social distancing was easier. But when reality set back in, and the NCAA saw what was happening, they pulled the plug.

The whole mindset of NewGen is flawed. Their "lane" was to criticize old people interviewing College kids, and how they could better relate. Good idea, in theory, but Father Time catches up with everyone. They are now all outside the College age, and their business model is broken. Their idea of revolutionizing the sport is..... print media? A magazine? Yeah, that'll disrupt the industry.

Everyone probably figured they'd flame out soon enough, and get real jobs once they realized their issues. But it seems they've now skewed younger, because there is no NCAA for HS athletes, as they get older themselves.

Ask yourself, look at the instagram posts they are tagged in, especially that bloggers mentioned on here before, would you want a 25 year old having these comments with your kids?

A good mainstream news investigative reporter needs to look into the New Gen activities further.

cringetastic wrote:

Speaking of bullying, Ben Crawford seems proud of being a bully of girls when he was in high school.

Video:m.youtube.com/watch?v=SR7oOfN4SQg&pp=y...

From 1:43:00, he regales his friends of how in high school, he and his friends made a March Madness bracket of the 'hottest' girls in their school. He says he was the ringleader of it, and that he made a twitter account for it, it was very public humiliation of the girls. He and his friends texted the girls screenshots of their 'rankings'. He tells this story as if he was some sort of bad@ss for doing it. Has he matured and changed since that incident to become the type of person who should be trusted with supervising high schoolers? It doesn't appear so.

At an earlier point in the podcast he talks about one of the New Gen campers, describing him as having "wallflower energy, you know like saying 'where the hos at' but then when the hos are there he's on his phone."

Cieutufudu wrote:

I will be floored if Ben Crawford puts out another new gen video in the same disgusting style or same not ok jokes after what’s come to light in this thread. I very much hope this kid is reading what people think of him and realizing how much of a douche he is. Change your ways man. The act’s up and you can’t rely on high schoolers thinking you’re cool forever. Have some morals and MAKE AN APOLOGY FOR YOUR UNJUST ACTIONS THE PAST YEAR+

seriously if new gen let’s everything go unaddressed and we see the same old content from them continuing, I really hope some stronger action is taken, whether that’s from brands, companies, their peers, or those in this thread who are mature enough to care about the well-being of teenagers and see through the disgusting and inappropriate behavior from a group of grown men

roulette wheel wrote:

Cieutufudu wrote:

I will be floored if Ben Crawford puts out another new gen video in the same disgusting style or same not ok jokes after what’s come to light in this thread. I very much hope this kid is reading what people think of him and realizing how much of a douche he is. Change your ways man. The act’s up and you can’t rely on high schoolers thinking you’re cool forever. Have some morals and MAKE AN APOLOGY FOR YOUR UNJUST ACTIONS THE PAST YEAR+

seriously if new gen let’s everything go unaddressed and we see the same old content from them continuing, I really hope some stronger action is taken, whether that’s from brands, companies, their peers, or those in this thread who are mature enough to care about the well-being of teenagers and see through the disgusting and inappropriate behavior from a group of grown men

A lot of influential and powerful people in the sport read this site (but won't say it).

Reach out to Chris Chavez at Citius, Outside Running, Fast Women and Ali on the Run (she's very popular as well). A lot of the runbloggers may pick it up.