Official Covid Vaccine thread

You are so incredibly dogmatic that you will handwave and ignore hundreds of data points and then expect us to do the same when you find one counterexample. Guess that, experimentation is messy and hard, sometimes people get different results. Looking at the entirety of data an predicting the most likely cause -> effect relationships is the key part. Not finding one thing that makes you happy and using it as confirmation to dismiss all else.

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As the chorus of “Covid vaccines are unsafe” grows, WHO threatens “anti-vaccine activists” and labels unvaccinated a “major killing force”

Rhoda Wilson

Last Wednesday, the World Health Organisation (“WHO”) labelled unvaccinated people a “major killing force globally.” WHO is promoting a new video that targets “anti-vaccine activism” by blasting th…

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Last Wednesday, the World Health Organisation (“WHO”) labelled unvaccinated people a “major killing force globally.” WHO is promoting a new video that targets “anti-vaccine activism” by blasting those who choose not to be vaccinated for supporting “anti-science aggression.”

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Analysis of survey data collected by Steve Kirsch would suggest that not only is it not safe or effective, it most likely causes more death PLUS further evidence of iatrogenic death.

The point of this analysis is not to prove definitively that the Covid injection causes death but rather to highlight that if the public health authorities were in any way honest and competent, they would be collecting and analysing this data, correctly accounting for and fixing any confounding factors.

All around the world, public health authorities are not doing this. Why not is the only question you should be asking.

Oh. I see. Bivalent boosters. Got to admit I never heard of this latest twist from Big Pharma. Just came out with it 3 months ago. Claims it works on all variants of Covid.

Question is how often does the CDC say we need to take this one?

Could not find anything on the CDC website.

I did find "The updated bivalent COVID-19 booster shots will likely provide immunity lasting up to four to six months—similar to what earlier shots offered."
"The new boosters were only just authorized by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) at the end of August, so we don’t yet have the information we need to know for sure how long immunity from the shots will last.
However, existing data from other experimental vaccines targeting COVID-19 variants suggests protection will last for at least a month. And the experts we spoke with projected about four to six months of COVID-19 protection."

So seems to open the window to recommending this shot every one month to every six months.

Dogmatic is assuming we actually HAVE all of the data in yet, and ALL of the evidence only corroborates vaccinating everyone, and the more the better, while not allowing stratification by risk or any dissenting viewpoint. Let me just say this… immune imprinting or even ADE maybe, just MAYBE aren’t just theoreticals, as some of us have warned about.

Dogma is a one size fits all approach.

I will give you credit though for allowing a contradictory paper without just merely saying “something is awry at the Cleveland Clinic.”

Merely doing my part to evaluate the evidence. I understand not everyone can keep up with the lit like I do, so you're welcome for providing important context.

The headline conclusion and objective metric from the Cleveland Clinic study is

Conclusions: The bivalent COVID-19 vaccine given to working-aged adults afforded modest protection overall against COVID-19, while the virus strains dominant in the community were those represented in the vaccine.

That's not "contradictory".

The part that appears "contradictory" is an inverse correlation between number of vaccine doses and number of subsequent Covid infections in the full data set without accounting for confounding factors. It's an interesting data point, but doesn't say much without accounting for confounders. It's also predictable that the usual suspects jump on this as the talking point.

I am aware of previous work on the subject.
However.
if the affected population’s BMI matches the BMI of the population at large, then that argues against BMI as having a large effect within said population.

that is the.case with the cited data.

When the average BMI amongst the affected population in the study is lower than the average BMI in the United States that argues that the average American should not feel protected against covid by virtue of their BMI

Serial prevaricator above who refuses to admit rona vax kids no better off than unvax and unvax kids - teens are ALSO fine.

Read the data. American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) is a despicable organization and is rightly scorned for their non-critical, anti-scientific 'rona vax (and mask) pimping but even they can't massage the #s to make themselves or the vax mob less evil.

They can, despite baby - toddler vax rates in the low single digits, still push this garbage:

Celine Gounder says what?

Also, the more or less weekly AAP report using CDC data. That any sane, sentient adult of any political persuasion could "defend" this boggling.

Maybe it's the wastewater?!

So sad western and northern Europe are committing cultural suicide by not shooting up ** their ** kids with this, or requiring "mandates," or masks. #StillMasking #QuintupleDemic!

Cultural suicide... by vaccination?

I'm gonna need you to unpack that, boss.

I was actually blown away by their conclusion of modest protection. 30% when BA.4 & BA.5 were predominant just isn’t very good.

But, what are the confounders? They surmise some possibilities but denounce them because the data doesn’t support them. There are other studies suggesting the same thing. What are the confounders they are missing?

Maybe they are just right and seeing something that hasn’t been widely studied or picked up yet.

They discard confounders with some handwaving 'people with less than 3 doses must be more risk tolerant' (unsubstantiated).

There are also no other studies suggesting the same thing.

Cultural suicide by NOT rona vaxxing -- which they are NOT doing, or even offering to do to kids.

(The U.S. pushes it relentlessly and still 90+ of all parents, all ethnicities, all politcal persuasions have REJECTED It. Vax mob goes home devastated, again, save to the extent the system was so corrupted, the government bought jillions of dollars of unneeded, unwanted vax that gets thrown out.) #Equity

Not that reading comprehension was ever your strong suit.

If the baby - toddler vax your compatriot whore push as so "safe and effective"-- why have nearly all European nations REJECTED it? #FollowScience

Yes, we all read it. I think that’s a reasonable presumption since most of the people in this study were young and were not immunocompromised. To say that is the confounder is far from compelling or accurate. So, what else?

Cited:

“When the effect of the number of vaccine doses in previously infected individuals was analyzed in multivariable analysis, there was no advantage to more than 1 dose of vaccine, and those who received 2 doses were at significantly higher risk of getting COVID-19 than those who received a single dose (Table 5), supporting the findings of the unadjusted comparison visually depicted in Figure 4.”

academic.oup.com

Coronavirus Disease 2019 Vaccine Boosting in Previously Infected or Vaccinated Individuals

Among 39 766 Cleveland Clinic employees with prior severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 infection or vaccination, vaccine boosting after 6 months was

Link:academic.oup.com/cid/article/75/12/216...

“While two-dose vaccination was associated with enhanced protection against subsequent omicron reinfection, three-dose vaccination was associated with reduced protection compared to that of two-dose vaccination. This finding suggests that the immune response against the primary omicron infection was compromised by differential immune imprinting in those who received a third booster dose, consistent with emerging laboratory science data.1-4 The booster dose, a pre-omicron immunological event, that occurred several months after the primary-series vaccination, another pre-omicron immunological event, may have trained the immune response to expect a specific narrow pre-omicron challenge; thus, the response was inferior when the actual challenge was an immune-evasive omicron subvariant. Repeat immunological events of the same kind (here pre-omicron challenge) appear associated with compromised protection against a new kind of immunological event (here omicron challenge).”

medrxiv.org

COVID-19 primary series and booster vaccination and immune imprinting

Background Epidemiological evidence for immune imprinting was investigated in immune histories related to vaccination in Qatar from onset of the omicron wave, on December 19, 2021, through September 15, 2022. Methods Matched,...

Link:www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.1...

I wonder how much worse she would have felt if she had taken the "vaccine" route.

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The 38-year-old singer added that she went to sleep after she began to have symptoms such as fever, sore throat, and body aches. Zhang explained that her symptoms were similar to that of a Covid patient but only lasted one day. “After sleeping for a day and a night, all my symptoms disappeared … I just drank plenty of water and took vitamin C, without taking any medicine before I got well,” she added.

ndtv.com

Chinese Singer Jane Zhang Intentionally Infected Herself With COVID-19 Because She Wanted To...

Ms. Zhang explained that she wanted to catch the virus so that she would not be at risk of infection during the concert, which is heldat the end of December.

Link:www.ndtv.com/feature/chinese-singer-ja...

I am too lazy to dig it up but you saw the booster study I posted last week that showed a large increase in hospitalization protect - even with repeated boosters. It's also been shown the boosting doesn't do much for mucosal antibody generation... makes sense.

I am unsure what angle you are arguing now, you seem to change weekly. The vaccines are not great at stopping infection, they are excellent at preventing severe outcomes. Until that changes vaccination is the overwhelming positive choice for the vast, vast majority of people.

Your first study is the exact same authors as the preprint you posted earlier -- these guys are really, really trying to milk their dataset to say what they think it should say.

Anyway, the figure referenced in the quote shows that 3 doses was fine (and better than 2 doses or 0 doses) against Omicron. There is no pattern of more doses = more susceptibility like you are alleging. In fact, the data makes prior infection look terrible here (against Omicron) -- it fades to uselessness so fast.

So first study doesn't support your hypothesis.

The second study was discussed plenty but again, doesn't really measure what you hope to show. The interpretation may be that boosting against WT omicron may cause some imprinting that makes one more susceptible to mild omicron infection. This is not saying that repeated boosting makes one more susceptible to COVID in general. In fact, this would suggest that boosting with a bivalent AFTER Omicron infection may be important to developed durable immunity against the new strain.

So basically, you're supporting updated boosters now? Cheers.

Regardless, the Qatar data is a little iffy because the incidence of Omicron was very small in their study. This suggests pretty tight control of spread and lots of opportunities for confounders in booster uptake and testing, etc. This has been discussed on this thread already, I believe.

Children did not ever and do not now need 'riona vax. For starters-- same goes for vast majority of healthy adults (like Grant Wahl hah hah) but "let's run" with the group with the very lowest #s, 3-4-5 year old kids.

Yet vax mob in America -- and only America & maybe venal Canada too -- will say any
thing and ignore all science just to $ sell $ them more shots.

WTF is wrong you you that you'll use children as a shield for your infinite lies and attempted "mandates" -- including on people + and recovered before your precious -- and useless for most -- $$$ minting vax?

When is Grant Wahl coming back btw?

Maybe it's just the Paxlovid Bounce!!