This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
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Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
So what millenial Facebook “fact-checker” is checking Malhotra? Because he’s right.
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I’m still trying to understand how all these people are just convinced there’s math death happening and every major health organization is actively covering it up. The level of delusion is kinda sad. Anything to keep the grift alive.
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Harambe wrote:
Covidiocy wrote:
This is the crux. If we are only looking at crappy data & aren’t allowed to parse all of it with a reasonable degree of skepticism, then we aren’t doing science. Something has been amiss. But, nothing to see here, move along. The CDC’s data is pristine. Give me a break.
Quite literally this. Are you kidding me?
If you are alleging the vaccine is actually quite deadly and there is a conspiracy of a cover up... you should bring the facts and data to prove it.
The CDC's data is not perfect but at least it exists. You are, as usual, alleging something for which you have no evidence beyond anecdotes for.
The first day of any science education begins with the extreme risks of confirmation bias and the need to gather and analyze data in a judicious manner.
I guess you skipped that one.
Armed with the dual weapons of reason and rhetoric. Harambe explodes the head of another brainless, innumerate anti-vaxxer/COVID denier.
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Covidiocy wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Quite literally this. Are you kidding me?
If you are alleging the vaccine is actually quite deadly and there is a conspiracy of a cover up... you should bring the facts and data to prove it.
The CDC's data is not perfect but at least it exists. You are, as usual, alleging something for which you have no evidence beyond anecdotes for.
I’m not alleging anything. However, said anecdotes, which I’ve mentioned multiple times that I’ve seen in my own inner circle at a higher-than-coincidental rate, are the basis for further investigation when something seems amiss. The same anecdotes that compelled an Ed Dowd to go combing through life insurance stats, actuarial tables, BLS data, and funeral home data. But, when he raises an alarm bell, he is quite literally cancelled. Many doctors who offer a dissenting opinion different from Big Pharma and its FDA subsidiary get cancelled and castigated. That’s the way it works.
However, I am, with absolute certainty given my age, fitness, lack of comorbidities, etc quite happy to be in the control group. You act, as you have from the beginning, like everyone on here is a septuagenarian diabetic with COPD. That’s the problem.
Public health administrations around the world -- spanning all types of political persuasion -- compile much more complete statistics than some random dude googling and find... nothing besides COVID mortality.
There is zero evidence that you are doing anything other than succumbing to all-too-common confirmation bias. That is OK, it's a mistake made by even experienced scientists, but the failure to turn a skeptical eye to your 'anecdata' is ultimately your rather disappointing undoing.
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Harambe wrote:
Covidiocy wrote:
I’m not alleging anything. However, said anecdotes, which I’ve mentioned multiple times that I’ve seen in my own inner circle at a higher-than-coincidental rate, are the basis for further investigation when something seems amiss. The same anecdotes that compelled an Ed Dowd to go combing through life insurance stats, actuarial tables, BLS data, and funeral home data. But, when he raises an alarm bell, he is quite literally cancelled. Many doctors who offer a dissenting opinion different from Big Pharma and its FDA subsidiary get cancelled and castigated. That’s the way it works.
However, I am, with absolute certainty given my age, fitness, lack of comorbidities, etc quite happy to be in the control group. You act, as you have from the beginning, like everyone on here is a septuagenarian diabetic with COPD. That’s the problem.
Public health administrations around the world -- spanning all types of political persuasion -- compile much more complete statistics than some random dude googling and find... nothing besides COVID mortality.
There is zero evidence that you are doing anything other than succumbing to all-too-common confirmation bias. That is OK, it's a mistake made by even experienced scientists, but the failure to turn a skeptical eye to your 'anecdata' is ultimately your rather disappointing undoing.
COVID mortality among the elderly and the seriously ill.
You linked data which showed that the mortality 0-14 was BELOW baseline prior to COVID and only rose above the baseline AFTER the shots started getting forced on people.
No one denies COVD can be deadly if you're elderly or seriously ill.
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I'm glad people here are at least admitting that the virus is real and that a mitigation strategy is necessary. Two and a half years ago some posted that viruses don't even exist and others posted that the numbers of positives was a lie.
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What I don't get at all is how we've known for nearly 3 years that Covid causes various kinds of damage to the heart, while the incidence of mRNA vaccines causing cardiovascular damage has been thoroughly studied and found to be very low, but every time some young person gets a heart murmur the anti-vaxxers are all "IT'S THE JAB!!!!!21@@@!!!"
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my 2c wrote:
What I don't get at all is how we've known for nearly 3 years that Covid causes various kinds of damage to the heart, while the incidence of mRNA vaccines causing cardiovascular damage has been thoroughly studied and found to be very low, but every time some young person gets a heart murmur the anti-vaxxers are all "IT'S THE JAB!!!!!21@@@!!!"
At some point it’s desperate cognitive dissonance from the antivaxxer mouth breathers who know they have FOREVER increased their risk of serious events after multiple rounds of COVID — and that the vax would have largely mitigated these permanent risks.
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Harambe wrote:
my 2c wrote:
What I don't get at all is how we've known for nearly 3 years that Covid causes various kinds of damage to the heart, while the incidence of mRNA vaccines causing cardiovascular damage has been thoroughly studied and found to be very low, but every time some young person gets a heart murmur the anti-vaxxers are all "IT'S THE JAB!!!!!21@@@!!!"
At some point it’s desperate cognitive dissonance from the antivaxxer mouth breathers who know they have FOREVER increased their risk of serious events after multiple rounds of COVID — and that the vax would have largely mitigated these permanent risks.
There’s nothing they can do now, so they’re just desperate to find a way to stop blaming themselves. Tragic.You continually claim to know things you couldn't possibly know.
There are currently ZERO long term studies of COVID because the virus was just created. (In a lab. By your hero.)
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Harambe wrote:
my 2c wrote:
What I don't get at all is how we've known for nearly 3 years that Covid causes various kinds of damage to the heart, while the incidence of mRNA vaccines causing cardiovascular damage has been thoroughly studied and found to be very low, but every time some young person gets a heart murmur the anti-vaxxers are all "IT'S THE JAB!!!!!21@@@!!!"
At some point it’s desperate cognitive dissonance from the antivaxxer mouth breathers who know they have FOREVER increased their risk of serious events after multiple rounds of COVID — and that the vax would have largely mitigated these permanent risks.
There’s nothing they can do now, so they’re just desperate to find a way to stop blaming themselves. Tragic.Case in point: COVID greatly increases the risk of thromboembolism down the line. This is proven.
There is one known way to mitigate that risk: vaccinate before exposure.
The antivaxxers could not have it more backwards and have permanently increased their risk of serious cardiovascular events for political team sports or wild conspiracy ideation. Sad.
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Harambe wrote:
Harambe wrote:
At some point it’s desperate cognitive dissonance from the antivaxxer mouth breathers who know they have FOREVER increased their risk of serious events after multiple rounds of COVID — and that the vax would have largely mitigated these permanent risks.
There’s nothing they can do now, so they’re just desperate to find a way to stop blaming themselves. Tragic.Case in point: COVID greatly increases the risk of thromboembolism down the line. This is proven.
There is one known way to mitigate that risk: vaccinate before exposure.
The antivaxxers could not have it more backwards and have permanently increased their risk of serious cardiovascular events for political team sports or wild conspiracy ideation. Sad.
The average age of the people in this study was 64.
No one denies the benefits of vaccination for the elderly.
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Harambe wrote:
my 2c wrote:
What I don't get at all is how we've known for nearly 3 years that Covid causes various kinds of damage to the heart, while the incidence of mRNA vaccines causing cardiovascular damage has been thoroughly studied and found to be very low, but every time some young person gets a heart murmur the anti-vaxxers are all "IT'S THE JAB!!!!!21@@@!!!"
At some point it’s desperate cognitive dissonance from the antivaxxer mouth breathers who know they have FOREVER increased their risk of serious events after multiple rounds of COVID — and that the vax would have largely mitigated these permanent risks.
There’s nothing they can do now, so they’re just desperate to find a way to stop blaming themselves. Tragic.I appreciate the insights on what is causing Anti vaxxers to be so fully invested in idiocy. We know the people with vlogs and others with Dr in their titles are grifting. But what is the deal with our handful of "believers" on this thread who earn no money and have spent years pounding the table that vaccines are deadly and a sinister conspiracy? I think they post here for a couple of reasons.
1. It eases their guilt of endangering the health of themselves and their families by being around others of like mind.
2. Like every other conspiracy (flat earth, jfk, 9/11 truthers) there is something deficient in their real life and having a place where they can post their latest online findings of anecdotal stories gives them a dopamine rush.
3. Some may simply like to troll. Deep down they don't believe what they are posting but just like to argue to get attention.
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2600 bro wrote:
I’m still trying to understand how all these people are just convinced there’s math death happening and every major health organization is actively covering it up. The level of delusion is kinda sad. Anything to keep the grift alive.
It is like this with most conspiracies. Conspiracy nutballs rarely like say out loud their entire conspiracy because is is ridiculously illogical and frankly impossible. Instead, they are content with stuff like. "I'm just asking questions". "It just doesn't add up". Or they give you broad explanations without going into practicality or reasonableness. Like "deep state coverup". "Big pharma".
So yes... It is quite incredible that mass death greatly surpassing covid deaths is happening globally and it is all kept secret. But they are the ones that know the truth because of youtube.
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my 2c wrote:
What I don't get at all is how we've known for nearly 3 years that Covid causes various kinds of damage to the heart, while the incidence of mRNA vaccines causing cardiovascular damage has been thoroughly studied and found to be very low, but every time some young person gets a heart murmur the anti-vaxxers are all "IT'S THE JAB!!!!!21@@@!!!"
Nope.
Recent study showed Covid does not cause heart damage.
More lies from the usual suspects
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Harambe wrote:
my 2c wrote:
What I don't get at all is how we've known for nearly 3 years that Covid causes various kinds of damage to the heart, while the incidence of mRNA vaccines causing cardiovascular damage has been thoroughly studied and found to be very low, but every time some young person gets a heart murmur the anti-vaxxers are all "IT'S THE JAB!!!!!21@@@!!!"
At some point it’s desperate cognitive dissonance from the antivaxxer mouth breathers who know they have FOREVER increased their risk of serious events after multiple rounds of COVID — and that the vax would have largely mitigated these permanent risks.
There’s nothing they can do now, so they’re just desperate to find a way to stop blaming themselves. Tragic.Baby - toddlers were never at ANY "risk" -- check Rona vax we rates for 4 year olds to prove it.
Children 5-12 were never at ANY "risk" -- check the vax and booster rates.
Teenagers were never at ANY "risk" -- check their booster rates, as some wear fear mongers for "granny" the first time.
Yet frail egomaniacs with a God complex (hi Peter Hotez, hi Celine Gounder!) and rapacious companies (Pfizer - Moderna, who are suing each other over rona vax remember) whose only goal now is to $ell $ell $ell -- backed by an ethically bereft medical - media - US govt establishment...
Are STILL saying vax vax vax boost boost boost.
Their efforts have garnered SINGLE digit vax and boost rates among kids, tee hee.
Europe doesn't even offer the baby - toddler shots (no profit motive, no need, no efficacy) and almost nobody is masking.
Why does the rona vax mob hate science so much?
Why does the rona vax mob hate children so much?
Why does the Rona vax mob hate socialized medicine in Europe so much?
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Justice Rides a GILF wrote:
Harambe wrote:
At some point it’s desperate cognitive dissonance from the antivaxxer mouth breathers who know they have FOREVER increased their risk of serious events after multiple rounds of COVID — and that the vax would have largely mitigated these permanent risks.
There’s nothing they can do now, so they’re just desperate to find a way to stop blaming themselves. Tragic.Baby - toddlers were never at ANY "risk" -- check Rona vax we rates for 4 year olds to prove it.
Children 5-12 were never at ANY "risk" -- check the vax and booster rates.
Teenagers were never at ANY "risk" -- check their booster rates, as some wear fear mongers for "granny" the first time.
Yet frail egomaniacs with a God complex (hi Peter Hotez, hi Celine Gounder!) and rapacious companies (Pfizer - Moderna, who are suing each other over rona vax remember) whose only goal now is to $ell $ell $ell -- backed by an ethically bereft medical - media - US govt establishment...
Are STILL saying vax vax vax boost boost boost.
Their efforts have garnered SINGLE digit vax and boost rates among kids, tee hee.
Europe doesn't even offer the baby - toddler shots (no profit motive, no need, no efficacy) and almost nobody is masking.
Why does the rona vax mob hate science so much?
Why does the rona vax mob hate children so much?
Why does the Rona vax mob hate socialized medicine in Europe so much?
CDC now pushing a booster once every 2 months! Six per year!
Media screaming Covid cases on the rise -- it's in the waste water!
They never stop
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Monkeys Skyping wrote:
jty wrote:
Start at 20:35 of the below video. To be more accurate it was those with group life insurance which you have to be employed to have and are generally considered a healthier population than the average. The group life population's mortality rate grew beyond the general population in 2021, which is very unusual.
Thanks for the reply. Do you know of a place where the cited mortality numbers are written down?
Forgot to quote. I feel like a 70 year old man with a cellphone.
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Mick Joggerrr wrote:
I appreciate the insights on what is causing Anti vaxxers to be so fully invested in idiocy. We know the people with vlogs and others with Dr in their titles are grifting.
Grifting was all on the vaxxer side, the money that anti-vaxxer doctors are supposed to be making on IVM/etc is peanuts compared to just taking the propaganda cash, fame, and status.
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