This is a war crime if committed to support and illegal war, and it’s treason if committed by an American to support an enemy.
“The agency cites an expert study funded by the United Kingdom. It showed how a disinformation campaign was designed to manipulate international public opinion on Russiaʼs invasion of Ukraine, increase support for the war, and recruit new sympathizers.”
“a disinformation campaign was designed to manipulate international public opinion on Russiaʼs invasion of Ukraine, increase support for the war, and recruit new sympathizers.”
Treason “The betrayal of one's own country by waging war against it or by consciously or purposely acting to aid its enemies.”
That doesn't make any sense. We are not at war with Russia. We may have significant differences with Russia, but we are not at war with them. As such, giving "aid and comfort" to Russia is, by definition, NOT a traitorous act.
A country does not need to be at war with another country, as you seem to be defining “at war,” to view that country as an enemy. Russia is undoubtedly an enemy of the United States, whether Russia is at war with the United States or not. (And Russia is arguably at war with the US.)
If, as you say in another post, that opinion of mine above (which I can fully support) actually disgusts you more than the pro-Russian/anti-American affirmations you often see here, then I think you should think about adjusting your priorities and perceptions.
And you would be wrong. Again.
Russia (earlier the USSR) has pretty much been viewed as an enemy of the US since 1947. And yet millions of Americans have visited Russia or purchased goods that directly or indirectly came, at least in part, from Russia. All kinds of US companies have done business in Russia. Traitors all?
Try to be more serious, dude. The notion that expressing opinions that are favorable toward Russia is a traitorous act is at best laughable, at worst fundamentally unAmerican.
By the way anyone who supports giving $70 plus billion dollars from American taxpayer to ensure the masaacre in Ukraine continues is a traitor.
Like those who would have us do whatever Israel tells us to
You really listen to somebody who says “This is like the Battle of Whatever Whatever” because she’s too stupid and knows so little about what she is talking about that she can’t even name a famous battle? But you think she is qualified to analyze what’s going on in Ukraine?
Clayton Morris “talked to his sources”? Who? His f*cking cell mate?
$70B from US taxpayers to ensure its Russians getting massacred and that Ukraine continues to exist is money well-spent.
Hey Carmine! Russia has donated more equipment to Ukraine in the last week than the US has in the last 6 months? Do you blame Russia for extending the war?
Hey Carmine! Russia has donated more equipment to Ukraine in the last week than the US has in the last 6 months? Do you blame Russia for extending the war?
Pro-Russian posters on this thread have been reported to the FBI for waging a disinformation campaign designed to manipulate international public opinion on Russiaʼs invasion of Ukraine, increase support for the war, and recruit new sympathizers.
A country does not need to be at war with another country, as you seem to be defining “at war,” to view that country as an enemy. Russia is undoubtedly an enemy of the United States, whether Russia is at war with the United States or not. (And Russia is arguably at war with the US.)
If, as you say in another post, that opinion of mine above (which I can fully support) actually disgusts you more than the pro-Russian/anti-American affirmations you often see here, then I think you should think about adjusting your priorities and perceptions.
And you would be wrong. Again.
Russia (earlier the USSR) has pretty much been viewed as an enemy of the US since 1947. And yet millions of Americans have visited Russia or purchased goods that directly or indirectly came, at least in part, from Russia. All kinds of US companies have done business in Russia. Traitors all?
Try to be more serious, dude. The notion that expressing opinions that are favorable toward Russia is a traitorous act is at best laughable, at worst fundamentally unAmerican.
You would be wrong again. And I'd bet most here can see the irony in you alleging that I am acting "fundamentally un-American" for expressing the opinion that certain clearly and fundamentally un-American opinions are traitorous.
Earlier, you were trying to show there was a semantic flaw in my opinion (i.e., traitors can't exist unless you are "at war" with the country-beneficiary of the alleged traitorous beliefs). You've continued with the semantic attack by using a distinguishable example from Soviet years gone by. It's a bit better, but it's still no more than a semantic attack, essentially saying I'm using flawed or overly broad definitions. Semantic arguments, however, can only get you so far.
Russia is undoubtedly and right now a dangerous and threatening enemy of the United States. Given that fact, if a person were to say, in references to Russia's violent attack on Ukraine, that there are "bio-weapon labs" in the Ukraine funded by the US and that Russia is merely defending itself -- which is a lie I have seen posted here several times -- that would be promoting the lies and propaganda of Russia. That specific behavior provides aid and comfort to America's enemy, Russia. That is both fundamentally un-American and traitorous behavior.
Hey Carmine! Russia has donated more equipment to Ukraine in the last week than the US has in the last 6 months? Do you blame Russia for extending the war?
Really?
$70 billion worth?
It would cost Russia more than $70B to replace it (which they can't).
Russia (earlier the USSR) has pretty much been viewed as an enemy of the US since 1947. And yet millions of Americans have visited Russia or purchased goods that directly or indirectly came, at least in part, from Russia. All kinds of US companies have done business in Russia. Traitors all?
Try to be more serious, dude. The notion that expressing opinions that are favorable toward Russia is a traitorous act is at best laughable, at worst fundamentally unAmerican.
You would be wrong again. And I'd bet most here can see the irony in you alleging that I am acting "fundamentally un-American" for expressing the opinion that certain clearly and fundamentally un-American opinions are traitorous.
Earlier, you were trying to show there was a semantic flaw in my opinion (i.e., traitors can't exist unless you are "at war" with the country-beneficiary of the alleged traitorous beliefs). You've continued with the semantic attack by using a distinguishable example from Soviet years gone by. It's a bit better, but it's still no more than a semantic attack, essentially saying I'm using flawed or overly broad definitions. Semantic arguments, however, can only get you so far.
Russia is undoubtedly and right now a dangerous and threatening enemy of the United States. Given that fact, if a person were to say, in references to Russia's violent attack on Ukraine, that there are "bio-weapon labs" in the Ukraine funded by the US and that Russia is merely defending itself -- which is a lie I have seen posted here several times -- that would be promoting the lies and propaganda of Russia. That specific behavior provides aid and comfort to America's enemy, Russia. That is both fundamentally un-American and traitorous behavior.
I'm sorry that you feel the need to double down and triple down on such an ignorant opinion. And to back it up with "I'd bet most here can see the irony..." - Sorry, but "most here" plus $3 might get you a cup of coffee.
People have opinions. And if we want to go down the irony route. let's talk about the irony of someone calling expressing one's opinions treasonous while attacking Russia where expressing one's opinions is, you guessed it, treasonous.
You are right to attack Russia. You are profoundly wrong to try to make the US Russian-esque.
People have opinions which they are free to express. Simple as that.
Pro-Russian posters on this thread have been reported to the FBI for waging a disinformation campaign designed to manipulate international public opinion on Russiaʼs invasion of Ukraine, increase support for the war, and recruit new sympathizers.
Hey Carmine! Russia has donated more equipment to Ukraine in the last week than the US has in the last 6 months? Do you blame Russia for extending the war?
It would cost Russia more than $70B to replace it (which they can't).
What?
The dozens of tanks and hundreds of other pieces of equipment that Russia just donated to Ukraine (goodwill gesture?) are priceless to Russia - they have no way to replace them. I'm sure Putin would pay $70B to get back all the equipment he just lost. Oh, didn't Clayton and Natali mention any of that when they were spouting off in their video or were they too busy trying to figure out how to spin it as a Russia victory?
Seeing reports of Ukrainian troops raising the flag in Svyatohirs’k, in Donetsk Oblast. Russia is now starting to lose control of the parts of the Donbas that they controlled.
You would be wrong again. And I'd bet most here can see the irony in you alleging that I am acting "fundamentally un-American" for expressing the opinion that certain clearly and fundamentally un-American opinions are traitorous.
Earlier, you were trying to show there was a semantic flaw in my opinion (i.e., traitors can't exist unless you are "at war" with the country-beneficiary of the alleged traitorous beliefs). You've continued with the semantic attack by using a distinguishable example from Soviet years gone by. It's a bit better, but it's still no more than a semantic attack, essentially saying I'm using flawed or overly broad definitions. Semantic arguments, however, can only get you so far.
Russia is undoubtedly and right now a dangerous and threatening enemy of the United States. Given that fact, if a person were to say, in references to Russia's violent attack on Ukraine, that there are "bio-weapon labs" in the Ukraine funded by the US and that Russia is merely defending itself -- which is a lie I have seen posted here several times -- that would be promoting the lies and propaganda of Russia. That specific behavior provides aid and comfort to America's enemy, Russia. That is both fundamentally un-American and traitorous behavior.
I'm sorry that you feel the need to double down and triple down on such an ignorant opinion. And to back it up with "I'd bet most here can see the irony..." - Sorry, but "most here" plus $3 might get you a cup of coffee.
People have opinions. And if we want to go down the irony route. let's talk about the irony of someone calling expressing one's opinions treasonous while attacking Russia where expressing one's opinions is, you guessed it, treasonous.
No. The irony here is you alleging that I am acting "fundamentally un-American" for expressing the opinion that certain clearly and fundamentally un-American opinions are traitorous. That is irony.
There is no irony in what you suggest -- "calling expressing one's opinions treasonous while attacking Russia where expressing one's opinions is, you guessed it, treasonous" -- since I am not suggesting in any way that these people can't express their un-American and traitorous opinions any time they want to. You would need the latter to be true for there to be any irony.
Obviouser wrote:
People have opinions which they are free to express. Simple as that.
Yeah, they are. Always. And I never said or suggested they weren't. You now seem to be going down the road that Happy Jacker guy was going last night, trying to pretend I was suggesting there need to be some restrictions on the First Amendment in this instance. That never happened, so you are going sideways and strawman now.
Russia is undoubtedly and right now a dangerous and threatening enemy of the United States. If a person says that NATO is supporting Ukraine in its fight against the Russian invasion because Ukraine is a Nazi country and NATO is fundamentally a Nazi organization-- which are lies that I have seen posted here -- that person is promoting the lies and propaganda of Russia with regarding to its invasion of Ukraine. That specific behavior provides aid and comfort to America's enemy: Russia. That is both fundamentally un-American and traitorous behavior.
I'm sorry that you feel the need to double down and triple down on such an ignorant opinion. And to back it up with "I'd bet most here can see the irony..." - Sorry, but "most here" plus $3 might get you a cup of coffee.
People have opinions. And if we want to go down the irony route. let's talk about the irony of someone calling expressing one's opinions treasonous while attacking Russia where expressing one's opinions is, you guessed it, treasonous.
No. The irony here is you alleging that I am acting "fundamentally un-American" for expressing the opinion that certain clearly and fundamentally un-American opinions are traitorous. That is irony.
There is no irony in what you suggest -- "calling expressing one's opinions treasonous while attacking Russia where expressing one's opinions is, you guessed it, treasonous" -- since I am not suggesting in any way that these people can't express their un-American and traitorous opinions any time they want to. You would need the latter to be true for there to be any irony.
Obviouser wrote:
People have opinions which they are free to express. Simple as that.
Yeah, they are. Always. And I never said or suggested they weren't. You now seem to be going down the road that Happy Jacker guy was going last night, trying to pretend I was suggesting there need to be some restrictions on the First Amendment in this instance. That never happened, so you are going sideways and strawman now.
Russia is undoubtedly and right now a dangerous and threatening enemy of the United States. If a person says that NATO is supporting Ukraine in its fight against the Russian invasion because Ukraine is a Nazi country and NATO is fundamentally a Nazi organization-- which are lies that I have seen posted here -- that person is promoting the lies and propaganda of Russia with regarding to its invasion of Ukraine. That specific behavior provides aid and comfort to America's enemy: Russia. That is both fundamentally un-American and traitorous behavior.
OK dude. It is clear that you need help. I hope that you get it.
Looks like Russia is pulling forces back to make a last ditch effort to save Russian held territory in Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhya and Kherson Oblasts. Even more intriguing is reports of some surrendering Russian forces on the front lines in Kherson. Apparently, they are out of ammo and have Kadyrov's forces on the other side of the river threating to shoot retreating soldiers. Russia is definitely desperate to return to a posture on the battle field where they can sit back and exchange artillery fire instead of having an active and complex battlefield with surging fast attacking Ukraine forces. There are reports of Russian forces trying to fight back against advancing Ukraine forces not realizing they have already been outflanked and are isolated from the rest of Russian forces. Also, a lot of Russian equipment was left behind not because there was no time to evacuate. A fair amount of equipment was broken down due to lack of maintenance, probably due to lack of spare parts and breakdowns in logistics. UA forces will be able to repair and use the abandoned equipment. And now, there are even reports that RU administrators and their families are being told to evacuate Crimea.
It is an open question whether RU forces are going to be able to fall back and mount a defense or have to scramble back across the Russian border and have to reorganize and try to reinvade. It is also an open question whether UA forces have enough manpower to cross the Dnipro river and move all the way to the Sea of Azov. Russia will not surrender and will not give up. But political costs for failure are mounting in Russia with Kadyrov openly disparaging the Russian retreat and calls for Putin resignation coming from municipal deputies.
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